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> From: Ted Timmons > Subject: butterfly valve and parts > > Okay, I buggered up the aluminum plate of the butterfly valve.. and I > need the pivot and related parts. I don't see that in the KLR > microfische.. do they not sell it as an independent part? What am I > supposed to do for replacement parts, then?

No carb expert, but from what I recall that's a pretty tricky installation and might be permanently installed at the factory. You might not be able to buy those parts separately. You should be able to get a replacement carb from a Harley dealer, if it comes to that. (Pull-offs from Mikuni conversions.) You could also try them for replacement parts. Good luck! Krokko -- Dr. J. Christopher Krok Explosion Dynamics Laboratory John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125

On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 07:43:39AM -0700, Chris Krok wrote:

> > > From: Ted Timmons > > Subject: butterfly valve and parts > > > > Okay, I buggered up the aluminum plate of the butterfly valve.. and I > > need the pivot and related parts. I don't see that in the KLR > > microfische.. do they not sell it as an independent part? What am I > > supposed to do for replacement parts, then? > > No carb expert, but from what I recall that's a pretty tricky > installation and might be permanently installed at the factory.

Neither Keihin nor Kawasaki (nor Harley, for that matter) will sell you that part of the carb by itself (nor most other parts of the carb, unfortunately).

> You should be able to get a replacement carb from a Harley dealer

Unless you want it just to pull parts from, it won't do you a lot of good -- the Harley version of the carb is *internally* the same, but one end is shaped differently because Harley doesn't use the same configuration of hoses at each end that Kawasaki does; one end bolts directly to something metal, as I recall. Zach has one, maybe he can post a picture.

> Unless you want it just to pull parts from, it won't do you a lot > of good -- the Harley version of the carb is *internally* the same, > but one end is shaped differently because Harley doesn't use the > same configuration of hoses at each end that Kawasaki does; one end > bolts directly to something metal, as I recall.

D'oh! Thanks for the update. Krokko -- Dr. J. Christopher Krok Explosion Dynamics Laboratory John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125

On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 08:44 -0700, Chris Krok wrote:

> > Unless you want it just to pull parts from, it won't do you a lot > > of good -- the Harley version of the carb is *internally* the same, > > but one end is shaped differently because Harley doesn't use the > > same configuration of hoses at each end that Kawasaki does; one end > > bolts directly to something metal, as I recall. > > D'oh! Thanks for the update. > > Krokko

Yup, Thor is right (pretty much). The HD carb also has a nice accelerator pump. It'll fit the intake boot on engine, but you'd have to come up with a means to attach the airbox boot to it. The HD carb is machined flat on that side to accept the air filter housing. It wouldn't be all that hard to do if one had a spare airbox to mess with... I have a picture on my server at home, but that keeps blowing circuits, so it's not up right now. Z

Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 07:43:39AM -0700, Chris Krok wrote: >>No carb expert, but from what I recall that's a pretty tricky >>installation and might be permanently installed at the factory. > > Neither Keihin nor Kawasaki (nor Harley, for that matter) will sell > you that part of the carb by itself (nor most other parts of the > carb, unfortunately).

So I ended up pulling the butterfly, and finding another one plus the pivot that were salvageable. A friend helped me figure out part of the problem- since the butterfly is sized larger than the intake, we filed off a hair near the two pivot notches. It slipped right in, no tools required. Put it back on the bike, buttoned the bike back up, and everything is working, woohoo! Pix from the teardown and rebuild: http://perljam.net/motorcycle/klr650/rebuild-200507/ -ted

What? :-k Jim ?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ted Timmons wrote: > Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 07:43:39AM -0700, Chris Krok wrote: > >>No carb expert, but from what I recall that's a pretty tricky > >>installation and might be permanently installed at the factory. > > > > Neither Keihin nor Kawasaki (nor Harley, for that matter) will sell > > you that part of the carb by itself (nor most other parts of the > > carb, unfortunately). > > So I ended up pulling the butterfly, and finding another one plus the > pivot that were salvageable. A friend helped me figure out part of the > problem- since the butterfly is sized larger than the intake, we filed > off a hair near the two pivot notches. It slipped right in, no tools > required. > > Put it back on the bike, buttoned the bike back up, and everything is > working, woohoo! > > Pix from the teardown and rebuild: > http://perljam.net/motorcycle/klr650/rebuild-200507/ > > > > > -ted

> > Okay, I buggered up the aluminum plate of the butterfly valve.. and I > need the pivot and related parts. I don't see that in the KLR > microfische.. do they not sell it as an independent part? What am I > supposed to do for replacement parts, then?

I haven't checked the parts lists so am just shooting from the hip but I would be surprised if the choke plate, choke shaft, etc. are available as they are not for most carbs. The problem with replacement of the choke plate/shaft or throttle plate/shaft is to align the plate within the shaft so that it does not bind in the throttle bore. The factories seem to believe that this process is beyond the ability of anyone but the factory. I suppose an additional reason is that there is really no need to replace this part unless it has been savaged by someone since the plate does not wear. If the choke shaft and related bores in the carb body are worn the manufacturer's recommendation in most cases is to replace the carb assembly. Some specialty automotive shops used to machine and re-bush throttle shafts for Rochester Quadra-jets and the like but you will be hard put to find anyone still doing that since automotive carbs have virtually disappeared. If I can manage to phrase the question in a neutral manner, "What ever happened to damage the choke plate or shaft?" My bet is that you're looking for a replacement carb.... FWIW, Norm

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