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older models vrs newer
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:07 am
by johnvstrom
Hi all
Been a long time since I've been on this forum, in fact I can't even
remember the name I used to use here. I had a '99KLR 5 years ago or
so, but have since moved on to a DRZ400 and V-Strom1000. Really miss
my KLR sometimes, 'cause it was kinda in the middle of my 2 present
bikes. Didn't do anything better than either, but was certainly
versatile.
I don't remember my KLR 650 history (age catching up with me!), so I
guess I'm looking for some of the basics, as I am looking at possible
purchase of a 1991KLR 650.
Can anyone give a basic run down on the changes to the KLR through the
years? Or is there a website that has this type of info? What has
changed between 1991 and present models? Anything to worry about on an
older model?
Thanks in advance.
older models vrs newer
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:07 am
by georgew@dnet.aunz.com
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:25:24 -0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone give a basic run down on the changes to the KLR through the
>years? Or is there a website that has this type of info? What has
>changed between 1991 and present models? Anything to worry about on an
>older model?
There are no changes at all, except for the colour. I guess that's one
of the features of the KLR - if you know all there is to know about
the '88 model, you have nothing to learn when you buy the '05 model,
except for how to change that awful red back to the gorgeous teal of
the A8

GW
older models vrs newer
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:37 am
by scott quillen
George,
I hate to disagree with you but there were some VERY minor changes along the way...
This is from the KLR 650 FAQ:
How has the KLR650 changed over the years?
The KLR is one of the least-developed bikes ever made. Aside from the paint job, not much has changed since it was introduced in 1987. The key mechanical differences are (per Eldon Carl):
1987: Crankshaft is unique to this year.
1988: Beefed up the engine cases with extra bolts between the crank and countershaft; crank has a different part number, and may be lighter.
1990: Countershaft improved with longer splines for increased engagement with sprocket.
1992: Changes to front brake master cylinder.
Mid-1996: Changed valve cover, added bracket to hold cam chain bumper; changed crank to heavier unit; improved clutch basket with more clutch plates; changed countershaft sprocket retainer from slotted plate to large nut. Kickstarter no longer fits with new clutch basket.
(?) Service manual indicates higher charging system output; only part number change is the rotor. The new power rating is 17A/14V (238 W) @ 7000 rpm; the earlier one was 14A/14V (196 W) @ 8000 rpm (yes, above redline).
2001(?) Assembly shifts from Japan to Thailand. Hard to say if there are any quality issues, as the parts still seem to be manufactured in Japan.
This is located at:
http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html
Regards,
Scott
georgew@... wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:25:24 -0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone give a basic run down on the changes to the KLR through the
>years? Or is there a website that has this type of info? What has
>changed between 1991 and present models? Anything to worry about on an
>older model?
There are no changes at all, except for the colour. I guess that's one
of the features of the KLR - if you know all there is to know about
the '88 model, you have nothing to learn when you buy the '05 model,
except for how to change that awful red back to the gorgeous teal of
the A8

GW
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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:04 am
by georgew@dnet.aunz.com
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 05:37:26 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
Ah yes, there were some minor changes then. I believe that there was a
kick start included with the very early models, etc etc etc.
Anyone who worked on an 88 model would not see too much in the 05 that
was different, that was my point. I guess though that if you were
ordering parts you would be foolish not to specify the year and model.
--
GW
>George,
>
>I hate to disagree with you but there were some VERY minor changes along the way...
>
>This is from the KLR 650 FAQ:
>
>How has the KLR650 changed over the years?
>The KLR is one of the least-developed bikes ever made. Aside from the paint job, not much has changed since it was introduced in 1987. The key mechanical differences are (per Eldon Carl):
>
> 1987: Crankshaft is unique to this year.
> 1988: Beefed up the engine cases with extra bolts between the crank and countershaft; crank has a different part number, and may be lighter.
> 1990: Countershaft improved with longer splines for increased engagement with sprocket.
> 1992: Changes to front brake master cylinder.
> Mid-1996: Changed valve cover, added bracket to hold cam chain bumper; changed crank to heavier unit; improved clutch basket with more clutch plates; changed countershaft sprocket retainer from slotted plate to large nut. Kickstarter no longer fits with new clutch basket.
> (?) Service manual indicates higher charging system output; only part number change is the rotor. The new power rating is 17A/14V (238 W) @ 7000 rpm; the earlier one was 14A/14V (196 W) @ 8000 rpm (yes, above redline).
> 2001(?) Assembly shifts from Japan to Thailand. Hard to say if there are any quality issues, as the parts still seem to be manufactured in Japan.
>
>This is located at:
http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott
>
>
>georgew@... wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:25:24 -0000, you wrote:
>
>
>>Can anyone give a basic run down on the changes to the KLR through the
>>years? Or is there a website that has this type of info? What has
>>changed between 1991 and present models? Anything to worry about on an
>>older model?
>
>There are no changes at all, except for the colour. I guess that's one
>of the features of the KLR - if you know all there is to know about
>the '88 model, you have nothing to learn when you buy the '05 model,
>except for how to change that awful red back to the gorgeous teal of
>the A8
>;)
>
>GW
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doohickey problem? what doohickey problem? i call for a vote!
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:11 pm
by Fred Hink
At the CMC, we looked and we found defective Doohickeys. Eagle Mike just
left for home and will fill you in on the numbers in a few days. Mike
showed me a bag full of broken pieces both from early and late model KLRs.
From what I have seen, I would guess failure rates at more like 20%. I
would describe Doohickey failure as either broken parts or the inability to
adjust your counter balancer chain.
Fred
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----- Original Message -----
From: "W.V. Doran"
To: "Mike Frey" ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Doohickey problem? What doohickey problem? I call
for a vote!
> For them to see a broken Doohickey they first need to
> look.
>
> "In my 25 years of Kawasaki service work I have
> NEVER come across a failed one, ever!"
>
> "If the KLR group says that they fail
> at some percentage rate, I'm not disagreeing with
> them, it's just that we've never seen one."
>
>
>
>
>
> WVDoran
> Scottsdale, AZ