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chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:12 am
by Ben Williams
A little more technical info on the ingredients-
http://www.wd40.com/Download/?/Brands/pdfs/msds-wd40_aerosol.us.pdf
Blake Sobiloff wrote:
On 4/13/05, clint lee jin yew wrote:
> wd40 is carosine based if i'm not mistaken.
Actually, its not--see :
"What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40
does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water,
wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing
agents. "
--
Blake Sobiloff
San Mateo, CA (USA)
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chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:33 am
by Randy Shultz
I don't use WD40, but I use a product of similar consistency. I just
never found WD40 to be a very good lubricant. Nor do I remember
hearing that the manufacturer ever claimed that it was a good lube.
But I sure do want a water displacer and a rust preventative, so I use
a similar product, just one that has better lubrication abilities based
on my prior experience using it on firearm slides and what not.
I'm not sure I understand exactly what factors are most important for
chain wear with o-ring chains, since obviously the pins are factory
lubed. I would assume you still need lube at your bearing/roller, and
your sprocket interfaces. But I've often suspected that just reducing
the dirt and grit caking, which I found so prevalent back when I used
chain wax, contributes the most to reducing o-ring chain wear. What do
you think?
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:49 am
by Blake Sobiloff
On Apr 14, 2005, at 7:33 AM, Randy Shultz wrote:
> I don't use WD40, but I use a product of similar consistency. I just
> never found WD40 to be a very good lubricant. Nor do I remember
> hearing that the manufacturer ever claimed that it was a good lube.
Folks, go read the WD-40 website FAQ that I linked to earlier
(http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html>). WD-40 *is* marketed as
a lubricant.
However, reading the comparison between WD-40 and 3-in-One (both from
the same company), it sounds like they'd recommend 3-in-One for chains
over WD-40. Maybe this has to do with the penetrating capability of
WD-40, which worries me. If it can penetrate between metals, what
keeps it from penetrating past o-rings and displacing the grease? Good
o-rings that seal well, I guess. Can't argue with the large body of
experience that shows WD-40 works fine on chains.
--
Blake Sobiloff
San Mateo, CA (USA)
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:50 am
by Eric L. Green
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Randy Shultz wrote:
> lubed. I would assume you still need lube at your bearing/roller, and
> your sprocket interfaces. But I've often suspected that just reducing
> the dirt and grit caking, which I found so prevalent back when I used
> chain wax, contributes the most to reducing o-ring chain wear. What do
> you think?
Agree. The problem with the sticky chain loob was that it basically turned
my swingarm into a belt sander for the chain.
-E
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:50 pm
by Randy Shultz
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Blake Sobiloff wrote:
WD-40 *is* marketed as a lubricant.
>
---
I stand corrected. On the manufacturer's page I read they did not
state that it was being sold as a lubricant. Instead they featured
its' anti-corrosion and water displacement properties. But on the page
you linked it IS stated that it is a "light" lubricant.
I won't argue that, as it's a liquid. But, in terms of chain
lubrication, is a light lubricant sufficient? I question that.
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:59 pm
by Ben Williams
After a bit more digging on the WD40 site I found this-
"3-in-one high performance dry lube."
"A synthetic polymer lubricant that provides superior, long-lasting lubrication and corrosion protection. It leaves no oily residue, preventing the buildup of airborne dirt and dust.
It's a no mess, no stain lubrication solution for all types of surfaces, including metal, vinyl, wood and rubber."
http://www.wd40.com/Brands/3in1pro.html
Randy Shultz wrote:
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Blake Sobiloff wrote:
WD-40 *is* marketed as a lubricant.
>
---
I stand corrected. On the manufacturer's page I read they did not
state that it was being sold as a lubricant. Instead they featured
its' anti-corrosion and water displacement properties. But on the page
you linked it IS stated that it is a "light" lubricant.
I won't argue that, as it's a liquid. But, in terms of chain
lubrication, is a light lubricant sufficient? I question that.
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chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:00 pm
by Bogdan Swider
>
> I won't argue that, as it's a liquid. But, in terms of chain
> lubrication, is a light lubricant sufficient? I question that.
>
There's theory and there's praxis. As I've posted ad nausea: First chain,
19.5k miles with gear lube. Second chain 21k with only WD. Current chain,
18k and still going strong also only WD. Seems it's sufficient.
Bogdan
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:30 pm
by Randy Shultz
I should have been more specific. Sufficient was a poor choice of
words on my part. I should have said best.
I use a product very much like WD40, but with better lubrication in my
experience. I'm completely sold on the idea of not using something
that cakes dirt, sand and other abrasives on the chain, and that, I
suspect, is what allows us to get more life out of our chains. I
posted that previously.
I was simply saying that I would like to get the benefits of a
corrosion fighter, water displaser and even de-greaser, like a WD40,
with better lubrication than a "light" lubricator.
Randy
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:
>
> >
> > I won't argue that, as it's a liquid. But, in terms of chain
> > lubrication, is a light lubricant sufficient? I question that.
> >
>
> There's theory and there's praxis. As I've posted ad nausea: First
chain,
> 19.5k miles with gear lube. Second chain 21k with only WD. Current
chain,
> 18k and still going strong also only WD. Seems it's sufficient.
>
> Bogdan
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:33 pm
by Randy Shultz
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ben Williams wrote:
> After a bit more digging on the WD40 site I found this-
>
> "3-in-one high performance dry lube."
> "A synthetic polymer lubricant that provides superior, long-lasting
lubrication and corrosion protection. It leaves no oily residue,
preventing the buildup of airborne dirt and dust.
>
---
So is 3-in-One a different product than the WD40 we are talking about
here? I think it is.
chain and sprocket life?- wd40
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:14 pm
by Eric L. Green
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005, Bogdan Swider wrote:
>> I won't argue that, as it's a liquid. But, in terms of chain
>> lubrication, is a light lubricant sufficient? I question that.
>>
>
> There's theory and there's praxis. As I've posted ad nausea: First chain,
> 19.5k miles with gear lube. Second chain 21k with only WD. Current chain,
> 18k and still going strong also only WD. Seems it's sufficient.
Save your breath, ideologues are never interested in facts, only in their
theories. Us practical engineers who care more about what works than
what's theoretically correct according to some ideological point of view
are a tiny majority. The state of American politics (which is utterly
dysfunctional) ought to be proof enough of that.
-E