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compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:13 am
by Jim Steinborn
Hi,
While adjusting valves, I noticed that my compression release spring
was missing from the device and was actually broken into several
pieces and wadded up in a corner of the cam chest.
Of course, it will take a week and half (or whatever) to have my local
dealer order the part. Has anyone replaced this spring with a hardware
store item? What are the specs of the spring (free length)?
Or should I just remove the mechanism entirely? Anyone run into
trouble (i.e. starter not strong enough) removing the compression
release device?
Sorry for the repeat, but I originally posted on the weekend and maybe
it got lost in all the other posts.
Thanks,
Jim
compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:15 am
by Tom Komjathy
Never did like those little springs, Jim, for the reason you just mentioned.
TK
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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 9:13 AM
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Compression release spring
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> Hi,
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> While adjusting valves, I noticed that my compression release spring
> was missing from the device and was actually broken into several
> pieces and wadded up in a corner of the cam chest.
>
> Of course, it will take a week and half (or whatever) to have my local
> dealer order the part. Has anyone replaced this spring with a hardware
> store item? What are the specs of the spring (free length)?
>
> Or should I just remove the mechanism entirely? Anyone run into
> trouble (i.e. starter not strong enough) removing the compression
> release device?
>
> Sorry for the repeat, but I originally posted on the weekend and maybe
> it got lost in all the other posts.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
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compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:31 am
by Jim Steinborn
Hi Tom,
So what did you do with/about the compression release spring, then?
Toss it, replace it with something else, or ???
Thanks,
Jim
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Komjathy" wrote:
> Never did like those little springs, Jim, for the reason you just
mentioned.
compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:16 am
by Tom Komjathy
Nothing yet. Just wondering how long it will be before it breaks. I have no
experience with this part of the bike, other than knowing it's there, and
how it works. I have had it stick in cold weather, making a weak start of
the engine.
So, what do you guys think about disabling this part?
TK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Steinborn"
To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Compression release spring
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>
> Hi Tom,
>
> So what did you do with/about the compression release spring, then?
> Toss it, replace it with something else, or ???
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Komjathy" wrote:
> > Never did like those little springs, Jim, for the reason you just
> mentioned.
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compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:03 pm
by Rodney Copeland
Damit, wish someone would help with this question, I'm wonderin too!
Rod,,,pretty sure we can just scrap it if we want to.
As quick as the KLR starts, the starter don't work that hard
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Komjathy" wrote:
> Nothing yet. Just wondering how long it will be before it breaks. I
have no
> experience with this part of the bike, other than knowing it's
there, and
> how it works. I have had it stick in cold weather, making a weak
start of
> the engine.
> So, what do you guys think about disabling this part?
> TK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Steinborn"
> To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:30 AM
> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Compression release spring
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> >
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > So what did you do with/about the compression release spring,
then?
> > Toss it, replace it with something else, or ???
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> > --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Komjathy"
wrote:
> > > Never did like those little springs, Jim, for the reason you
just
> > mentioned.
> >
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compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:23 pm
by a14@att.net
> Damit, wish someone would help with this question, I'm wonderin too!
> Rod,,,pretty sure we can just scrap it if we want to.
> As quick as the KLR starts, the starter don't work that hard
>
>
I think there was only one lister who might have tried removing the compression release. The consensus back then was that it was a remnant of the kickstart and the starter would handle the load but I suggest trying removal at your own risk.
Walt
compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:54 pm
by Jud Jones
--- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Rodney Copeland"
wrote:
>
> Damit, wish someone would help with this question, I'm wonderin too!
> Rod,,,pretty sure we can just scrap it if we want to.
> As quick as the KLR starts, the starter don't work that hard
>
Although I have yet to hear of ill effects from disabling the KACR, I guess I
would prefer to have it working, just based on what big singles have done to
my right knee.
compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:57 pm
by scttotis
Did you notice that the starter had a more difficult time turning the
engine over at any point? I am wondering if it will be obvious that
the spring has broken if we are on the lookout for labored starter
action.
> While adjusting valves, I noticed that my compression release spring
> was missing from the device and was actually broken into several
> pieces and wadded up in a corner of the cam chest.
>
compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:22 pm
by Jim Steinborn
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DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "scttotis" wrote:
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> Did you notice that the starter had a more difficult time turning
> the engine over at any point?
Unfortunately, I can't answer that. I just got the bike and it came to
me this way. I could query the PO and see if he ever noticed any
change in load on the starter...
I would kind of agree with Jud's concern about having the KACR working
unless one was *certain* not having it was OK. 'Cos the KACR is welded
to the end of the camshaft and all the parts very securely riveted
together. Removing it is pretty much a one-way operation - for most of us.
I'm going to scout for a light spring at the hardware store today.
Obviously, getting the wrong spring in there would be a bad thing.
Assuming I've got all parts of the spring, I can guesstimate how many
coils it has as well as the diameter of the wire and its tension.
Does anyone happen to know the free length of the spring coils (not
counting the end loops)?
I'm less concerned about it not working while starting than I'm
concerned that it disables (releases?) itself at a low enough engine
speed - not affecting engine power.
Pics of my cleanup and doohickey replacement job below.
Jim
Fort Collins, CO
http://www.steinborn.org/jim/klr/
compression release spring
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:42 pm
by Tom Komjathy
Removing it would be out of the question, but disabling it wouldn't. I've
got a couple K before the next valve check, and I'm willing to give it a
try. Seems to me, holding the fly-wts. in the off position would do it.
Anyone have suggestions?
TK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Steinborn"
To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:21 PM
Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Compression release spring
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> --- In
DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "scttotis" wrote:
> >
> > Did you notice that the starter had a more difficult time turning
> > the engine over at any point?
>
> Unfortunately, I can't answer that. I just got the bike and it came to
> me this way. I could query the PO and see if he ever noticed any
> change in load on the starter...
>
> I would kind of agree with Jud's concern about having the KACR working
> unless one was *certain* not having it was OK. 'Cos the KACR is welded
> to the end of the camshaft and all the parts very securely riveted
> together. Removing it is pretty much a one-way operation - for most of us.
>
> I'm going to scout for a light spring at the hardware store today.
> Obviously, getting the wrong spring in there would be a bad thing.
> Assuming I've got all parts of the spring, I can guesstimate how many
> coils it has as well as the diameter of the wire and its tension.
>
> Does anyone happen to know the free length of the spring coils (not
> counting the end loops)?
>
> I'm less concerned about it not working while starting than I'm
> concerned that it disables (releases?) itself at a low enough engine
> speed - not affecting engine power.
>
> Pics of my cleanup and doohickey replacement job below.
>
> Jim
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
http://www.steinborn.org/jim/klr/
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