Wilsons Sandbox

Posted: **Fri Dec 31, 2004 8:15 pm**

Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just finished a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last bolt on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo

Posted: **Fri Dec 31, 2004 9:41 pm**

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "cosmobojinski" wrote:

> > Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just

finished

> a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last bolt > on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red > loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo

Red Loctite on cam cap bolts? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHa idea: but a swivel head extension for you socket/torque wrench

Posted: **Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:27 pm**

Aren't the cam caps tightened, then welded. dude, red lock-tight? Use blue if you must, but torque it without thread lock, if you can. Red lock-tight.....

----- Original Message ----- From: "squasher_1" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Valve adjust question > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "cosmobojinski" > wrote: > > > > Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just > finished > > a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last bolt > > on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red > > loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo > > > > Red Loctite on cam cap bolts? > > HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHa > > > idea: but a swivel head extension for you socket/torque wrench > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

Posted: **Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:47 pm**

You can use a fishing spring-scale on the end of a box wrench. Works for me. Larry --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "cosmobojinski" wrote:

> > Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just

finished

> a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last bolt > on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red > loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo

Posted: **Fri Dec 31, 2004 11:48 pm**

Ok, when I said hand tight I did mean tightened with a regular box- end wrench.It was that without the torque wrench I was unsure that I'd have enough tightness applied. I did in fact use blue loctite but for ease of mind , thought I'd go back and apply red loctite which I understood to be "higher strength". You guys are scaring me with your reaction.Would it be too strong? As for the swivel, I understood that screwed up any value that you had on the torque wrench.Don't want it vibrating loose, don't want to strip the head. .cosmo --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas J Komjathy" wrote:

> Aren't the cam caps tightened, then welded. dude, red lock-tight?

Use blue

> if you must, but torque it without thread lock, if you can. Red > lock-tight..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "squasher_1" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:41 PM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Valve adjust question > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "cosmobojinski" > > wrote: > > > > > > Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just > > finished > > > a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last

bolt

> > > on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red > > > loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo > > > > > > > > Red Loctite on cam cap bolts? > > > > HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHa > > > > > > idea: but a swivel head extension for you socket/torque wrench > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Posted: **Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:29 am**

Cosmo: You do not want to use red Loctite, it is too strong. With red Loctite you may break the bolts trying to loosen them the next time. You realy do not need locktite on the cam cap bolts, just proper torque. To torque that bolt you can't get the T-wrench on do the trick using a box end wrench & small fish weighing scale. It's easy. First measure the distance on the wrench from the center of the box that goes over the bolt to the point where you will hook the fish scale. Say it is 8 inches. The manual calls for 104 in-lbs. on the cam cap bolts. That's 104 lbs. pulled an inch from the center of the bolt. You are going to be pulling the force 8 inches from the center of the bolt, so you want to use 1/8th the force. Divide 8 into 104 to get the force you need to pull on your box wrench. It will be 13 lbs. Make sure you pull at 90 degrees to the wrench or all the force you apply won't be going to torque the bolt. Have fun, Pete Chester A16 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "cosmobojinski" wrote:

> > Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just

finished

> a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last bolt > on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red > loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo

Posted: **Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:32 pm**

Cosmo, I use a 1/4" drive u-joint and keep the angle as straight as I can. It will throw off the torque value a bit but not enough to worry me. If you know trig and really care you could figure out the angle and calculate the adjusted torque setting. I don't know trig yet and don't think it matters enough to figure it out anyway. Red Loctite is high strength and requires heat to release. There are very few places on most motorcycles where red loctite is suitable. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

Posted: **Sat Jan 01, 2005 3:26 pm**

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "cosmobojinski" wrote:

> > Happy New Year everyone, I need some reassurance. I've just finished > a shim swap and was unable to get a torque wrench on the last bolt > on the cam caps (rear bolt right intake).Hand tight with red > loctite? Any Ideas? I know, get a life it's New Years...cosmo

I did the one or two with the torque wrench and applied the same to the others the torque wrench would'nt fit. Its not a space shuttle. Dooden A15 Green Ape

Posted: **Sat Jan 01, 2005 4:49 pm**

> > > Ok, when I said hand tight I did mean tightened with a regular box- > end wrench.It was that without the torque wrench I was unsure that > I'd have enough tightness applied. I did in fact use blue loctite > but for ease of mind , thought I'd go back and apply red loctite > which I understood to be "higher strength". You guys are scaring me > with your reaction.Would it be too strong? As for the swivel, I > understood that screwed up any value that you had on the torque > wrench.Don't want it vibrating loose, don't want to strip the > head. .cosmo

You don't need any type of loctite on the cam caps. Anti-seize wouldn't be a bad idea. You can hand torque the caps if you compare to the ones you used a torque wrench on. Trying to figure out a torque wrench used at an angle is too much for me. Better yet, part with $25 and buy a 1/4" in/lb wrench at Harbor Freight it'll fit for all the bolts. Oh yeah, red loctite is way too much and yes, you should get a life. Bogdan

Posted: **Sat Jan 01, 2005 7:20 pm**

It IS to stone for the application. Red is for high load, semi permanent assembly. Stuff that stays together for a long time.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bogdan Swider" To: "cosmobojinski" ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Valve adjust question > > > > > > > Ok, when I said hand tight I did mean tightened with a regular box- > > end wrench.It was that without the torque wrench I was unsure that > > I'd have enough tightness applied. I did in fact use blue loctite > > but for ease of mind , thought I'd go back and apply red loctite > > which I understood to be "higher strength". You guys are scaring me > > with your reaction.Would it be too strong? As for the swivel, I > > understood that screwed up any value that you had on the torque > > wrench.Don't want it vibrating loose, don't want to strip the > > head. .cosmo > > You don't need any type of loctite on the cam caps. Anti-seize wouldn't be a > bad idea. You can hand torque the caps if you compare to the ones you used a > torque wrench on. Trying to figure out a torque wrench used at an angle is > too much for me. Better yet, part with $25 and buy a 1/4" in/lb wrench at > Harbor Freight it'll fit for all the bolts. Oh yeah, red loctite is way too > much and yes, you should get a life. > > Bogdan > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >

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