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dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:22 pm
by Don Van Dyke
I know that the Dunlop D606 seems to be the preferred KLR 650 tire, but has
anyone ever tried Metzeler MTZ Enduro3 Sahara tires?
http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml?selected=desc&catid=85DUALP&productid=16163&nome=MTZ_ENDURO3_SAHARA
Or Metzeler MCE Karoo tires?
http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml;jsessionid=1C013LIY24YKZFYKJOPSFFA?catid=85DUALP&productid=16124
How well do D606 perform in sudden stops on the street, and in the rain?
I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on
street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport
bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very
smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall
into the lean at any point.
Don Van Dyke
Sacramento, California
Moto@...
www.intellection.org
dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 2:27 pm
by John Thompson
I have a the Enduro3 Sahara on the back & have about 700 mostly road miles
on it. Coming from a 1st time D/S bike owner, it seems to corner better
than OEM (to be expected), but I hope for the $$$, it REALLY performs. I
think it is one fo the most expensive tires out there...
John T
dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:30 pm
by Judson D. Jones
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Don Van Dyke wrote:
> I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on
> street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport
> bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very
> smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall
> into the lean at any point.
>
It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast
Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and 300k on
boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From what I
have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.
dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:03 pm
by Lujo Bauer
> It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast
> Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and 300k on
> boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From what I
> have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.
What's wrong with Karoos? They don't last terribly long but they're
pretty good both on road and off (better at both than K270s, for
example). Last time I bought some they were ~$100/set.
In further defense of Metzelers: the Tourances on my GS are great road
tires and last 14k in the front and 9k in the rear. Even at $200/set,
per mile they compare OK in price with anything else I've seen.
-Lujo
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dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:36 pm
by Tim Egersheim
If you're looking for just street use I run Pirelli MT90 Scorpion S/T on my
KLR600 (which I will be bombarding you with questions about soon enough). I
was looking at the Metzelers's, but a friend that has been running the
Pirelli's on his KLX650C for a few years now steered me in the Pirelli
direction.
My 2 cents from a list newbie.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lujo Bauer [mailto:lbauer@...]
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Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Dunlop vs. Metzeler
> It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast
> Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and
> 300k on
> boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From
> what I have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.
What's wrong with Karoos? They don't last terribly long but they're pretty
good both on road and off (better at both than K270s, for example). Last
time I bought some they were ~$100/set.
In further defense of Metzelers: the Tourances on my GS are great road tires
and last 14k in the front and 9k in the rear. Even at $200/set, per mile
they compare OK in price with anything else I've seen.
-Lujo
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dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:40 pm
by Judson D. Jones
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Lujo Bauer wrote:
> > It says here that Dunlops and Avons let you do the same, and outlast
> > Metzelers by a significant margin. IMO, (based on over 30 years and
300k on
> > boxers) Metzelers are overpriced and overrated as street tires. From
what I
> > have seen of Karoos, the same holds for their DS tires.
>
> What's wrong with Karoos? They don't last terribly long
Bingo.
but they're
> pretty good both on road and off (better at both than K270s, for
> example). Last time I bought some they were ~$100/set.
>
> In further defense of Metzelers: the Tourances on my GS are great road
> tires and last 14k in the front and 9k in the rear. Even at $200/set,
> per mile they compare OK in price with anything else I've seen.
>
I'd agree they're better on pavement than K270s, but certainly no better off
road. The Kendas last two to three times longer.
dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:47 pm
by Eric L. Green
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Tim Egersheim wrote:
> If you're looking for just street use I run Pirelli MT90 Scorpion S/T on my
> KLR600 (which I will be bombarding you with questions about soon enough). I
> was looking at the Metzelers's, but a friend that has been running the
> Pirelli's on his KLX650C for a few years now steered me in the Pirelli
> direction.
For street use, the Kenda 761 seems to work quite well. Very sticky
on-road and supposedly will handle gravel better than Metzeler Tourances
(not that this is saying much, my bike had Tourances on it when I bought
it and they were utterly useless on anything but pavement).
I have some Kings KT-966's in my garage for dirt duty, but am thinking of
retiring them in favor of Kenda 270's, which are cheaper and work better
in the dirt. But the 761's are much nicer for commuting -- they work well
in the rain, stick like glue, and they don't whine.
-E
dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:42 pm
by kdxkawboy@aol.com
In a message dated 2004-12-17 12:30:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Moto@... writes:
>
> I know that the Dunlop D606 seems to be the preferred KLR 650 tire, but has
> anyone ever tried Metzeler MTZ Enduro3 Sahara tires?
>
>
http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml?selected=
> desc&catid=85DUALP&productid=16163&nome=MTZ_ENDURO3_SAHARA
>
> Or Metzeler MCE Karoo tires?
>
>
http://www.us.metzelermoto.com/en_85/tires/template_categorie.jhtml;jsessioni
> d=1C013LIY24YKZFYKJOPSFFA?catid=85DUALP&productid=16124
>
> How well do D606 perform in sudden stops on the street, and in the rain?
>
> I am new to dual sport motorcycles. I have always preferred Metzeler on
> street bikes for their cornering capability. In my experience on a sport
> bikes and cruisers, Metzelers let you lean, and lean, and lean, very
> smoothly until your pegs or boots touch pavement, with no tendency to fall
> into the lean at any point.
>
> Don Van Dyke
>
I have yet to try the Karoos but can give you my feelings about the IRC GP1
Sahara 3606
The Sahara 3 is not quite as good as the GP1, on the street or in the dirt,
but I can get about 2000 miles more from a Sahara than a GP1. And with a
touring load the Saharas get a whole lot better in the dirt. I also found they took
about 20 miles to get warmed up and start feeling right, until then they have
a little bit of a push. The 606 works great on a KLR in the dirt, not so great
on the street. Its not a bad street tire, but there is no way I would try to
push them as hard as I can push the GP1s. Then again there is no way I would
try to push the GP1s as hard in the dirt as I can the 606s.
Pat
G'ville, Nv
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nklr - tig welding machines
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:01 pm
by klrdon@aol.com
Someone's suggestion on TIG welder got me interested, welding aluminum,
steel, stainless etc. Are there any TIG ac/dc/stick welders that are recommended
that do not require a 70 amp circuit for power? Looked into the LIncoln 185 but
it requires as much amperage as 2 house AC units (Only at max draw) and weighs
in at 250 lbs. Can the stick welding capacity be higher than that of the TIG
capacity, ie. pull less amps and weld thicker steel than in the TIG mode? Is
the high frequency arc starter a good option?
Any guidance is appreciated.
Don M
Atlanta, GA
A16
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dunlop vs. metzeler
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 9:58 pm
by Lujo Bauer
>
> I'd agree they're better on pavement than K270s, but certainly no
> better off
> road. The Kendas last two to three times longer. arithmetic. For my money, it's no contest.
My experience with tire wear was different. For me the Kendas lasted
at most 50% longer than the Karoos, and I liked the Karoos better off
road (and on). Also, the Karoos have a *really* stiff carcass, which
was something that I was looking for.
-Lujo