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At 2:11 AM +0000 8/24/04, mcrider18 wrote:

>Do any companies manufacture dual sport boots that are really and >truly waterproof? I know there are multiple street motorcycle boots >possibilities with Gaerne ST Dry Sport Touring boots, Sidi On Road >Symaptex boots, and Oxtar Matrix Gore-Tex boots. I haven't run >across dual sport boots that have the Gore-Tex lining or similar >product.

I think the Sidi Discovery boots have Gore-Tex.

>This seems to be ridiculous. I >mean dual sporters and MX riders go through a lot of rain, streams, >puddles, wet vegetation, etc. and would really benefit from this >feature. What's up?

Actually, a waterproof boot is useless once water enters through the top in a *real* water crossing. Seal Skinz socks is a good choice for deep water. They make a model that has a neoprene cuff to prevent water from entering the top of the sock. I have Seal Skinz over-the calf socks. They really work. They're seamless, waterproof and breathable. On cold days however, my feet eventually will feel a bit clammy, so I'll wear a thin pair of cotton dress socks under the Seal Skinz. Mark

> I think the Sidi Discovery boots have Gore-Tex.

They have some non-GoreTex breathable-waterproof membrane, but still aren't uniformly watertight. The pair I have now ("new" model, with black soles) has been OK so far, but I'm not holding by breath. The last ones stopped being waterproof for no good reason a few months after I got them. -Lujo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

-----Original Message----- From: mcrider18 [mailto:mcrider18@...] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:11 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Waterproof Dual Sport Boots? Do any companies manufacture dual sport boots that are really and truly waterproof? I know there are multiple street motorcycle boots possibilities with Gaerne ST Dry Sport Touring boots, Sidi On Road Symaptex boots, and Oxtar Matrix Gore-Tex boots. I haven't run across dual sport boots that have the Gore-Tex lining or similar product. What am I missing here? I don't even see true MX boots as being advertised as being waterproof. This seems to be ridiculous. I mean dual sporters and MX riders go through a lot of rain, streams, puddles, wet vegetation, etc. and would really benefit from this feature. What's up? Thanks, Rick ---reply--------------- I appreciate your interest in water-proof DS boots. I have a set of street boots that I use to get to where I want to ride which are water tight, but as to the dirt riding, I at times use my MX boots and lots of boot wax. The MX boots stay dry inside, that is, until I immerse my boot for many seconds into the water of a stream or such. Once my boot interior is wet, I release the upper clamps a few clicks and let mother nature have a field-day. So, the query is valid - Gortex or similar 'wicking' material as the basis for a boot - Surely it is available and preferred, but, the material must also be strong and very abrasion resistant. I look forward to the answer. Mike Torst Las Vegas

-----Original Message----- From: Tengai Mark Van Horn [mailto:tengai650@...] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:23 PM To: mcrider18 Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Waterproof Dual Sport Boots? At 2:11 AM +0000 8/24/04, mcrider18 wrote:

>Do any companies manufacture dual sport boots that are really and truly >waterproof? I know there are multiple street motorcycle boots >possibilities with Gaerne ST Dry Sport Touring boots, Sidi On Road >Symaptex boots, and Oxtar Matrix Gore-Tex boots. I haven't run across >dual sport boots that have the Gore-Tex lining or similar product.

I think the Sidi Discovery boots have Gore-Tex.

>This seems to be ridiculous. I >mean dual sporters and MX riders go through a lot of rain, streams, >puddles, wet vegetation, etc. and would really benefit from this >feature. What's up?

Actually, a waterproof boot is useless once water enters through the top in a *real* water crossing. Seal Skinz socks is a good choice for deep water. They make a model that has a neoprene cuff to prevent water from entering the top of the sock. I have Seal Skinz over-the calf socks. They really work. They're seamless, waterproof and breathable. On cold days however, my feet eventually will feel a bit clammy, so I'll wear a thin pair of cotton dress socks under the Seal Skinz. Mark -------------reply-------------------------- Nice solution! Were do recommend we buy them (Seal Skinz) from? Oh, is the sizing accurate? Mike Torst Las Vegas

--- mcrider18 wrote:

> Do any companies manufacture dual sport boots that > are really and > truly waterproof?

I use Vasque Sundowners. Actually a hiking boot with a steel shank. Durable, comfortable, Goretex and you can explore distant galaxies with them. don in UT ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Nothing is "waterproof if you ride for hours in highwind and rain, the water can climb over anything at 70-80 mph. I find wearovers (little faggy booties) and the best, I wear them over my formal office work shoes and my billy bad-ass state trooper motorcycle boots, which are also waterproof, but again, water climbs. Two things I hate, one is when the water creeps in and I know it is about to get a bit chilly over the next few hours, and the worst is when I decide not to ride cause I might get wet... --- Lujo Bauer wrote:

> > I think the Sidi Discovery boots have Gore-Tex. > > They have some non-GoreTex breathable-waterproof > membrane, but still > aren't uniformly watertight. The pair I have now > ("new" model, with > black soles) has been OK so far, but I'm not holding > by breath. The > last ones stopped being waterproof for no good > reason a few months after > I got them. > > -Lujo > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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At 7:42 PM -0700 8/23/04, mike torst wrote:

>-----Original Message----- >From: Tengai Mark Van Horn [mailto:tengai650@...] >Seal Skinz socks is a good choice for >deep water. They make a model that has a neoprene cuff to prevent >water from entering the top of the sock. I have Seal Skinz over-the >calf socks. >-------------reply-------------------------- > >Nice solution! Were do recommend we buy them (Seal Skinz) from? Oh, is the >sizing accurate?

I wear the size XL over-the-calf sock. The foot part is great, but the upper part could be a bit more generous as I have them well stretched over my big calves. Guys with normal-sized calves will experience more room. Last spring, www.sportsmansguide has/had them in 4 packs for $39.00. Normally, they're not cheap at $24.00 a pair. Since Google's stock is rising, you should be able to do a search for the current good pricing deals. Mark

From The Great White North: Having recently put 10,000 Klm on The Mile Muncher in all types of water conditions I'd say that I am more than happy with my SIDI Combat Touring boots. When looking for a boot I gave no consideration to cost, only suitability. These are the same boot worn by Greg Frazier on his numerous world trips. I've been in 6 hour downpours and waded to inches below the top and remained dry. I'd recommend them to anyone needing a good boot and willing to pay for them. Cheers, Dave Watkins 1998 KLR 650 The Mile Muncher Calgary, Alberta -----Original Message----- From: mcrider18 [mailto:mcrider18@...] Sent: August 23, 2004 7:11 PM To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_klr650] Waterproof Dual Sport Boots? Do any companies manufacture dual sport boots that are really and truly waterproof? I know there are multiple street motorcycle boots possibilities with Gaerne ST Dry Sport Touring boots, Sidi On Road Symaptex boots, and Oxtar Matrix Gore-Tex boots. I haven't run across dual sport boots that have the Gore-Tex lining or similar product. What am I missing here? I don't even see true MX boots as being advertised as being waterproof. This seems to be ridiculous. I mean dual sporters and MX riders go through a lot of rain, streams, puddles, wet vegetation, etc. and would really benefit from this feature. What's up? Thanks, Rick List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Yahoo! Groups Links