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On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 06:36:47AM -0400, Roger wrote:

> > > "If you've been using WD-40 as a chain lube we have a surprise for you. > It doesn't work! WD-40 attracts dirt to your chain and is not much of a > lubricant for anything besides a squeaky door hinge."

I don't know who that's a quotation from (nor why it wasn't wrapped to less than 80 columns, as nettiquette requires); but it really misses the point. For O-ring chains, the lubrication's internal to the chain anyway. Any external lubrication is really just going to work on the side plates, and it's questionable how much lubrication they need. Thus the suggestion to use WD-40 _to clean the chain and displace water_. Hose down the chain with WD when it gets grimy or wet; get that dirt and water off and let the lube behind the O-rings do its magic. It depends what kind of riding you're doing, but many people have testified to remarkably long chain life on this list using WD as a "lube". The problem with fancy lubes (including chain wax) is that they basically _all_ capture a lot of dust if you ride off-pavement. The Chain Wax that the dealership put on my chain at the 500-mile service was black grimy abrasive goo within a few hundred more miles -- basically, after my first real off-road play day. Something similar (but less severe) happens with the PJ1 Black spray that I use before long highway rides; so I try to remember to wash it off with WD even before dirt road travel. A reasonable compromise is the 90W gear oil that Kawasaki recommends; but of course that stuff does tend to fling, a lot. Chainsaw bar and chain oil is similar; maybe it flings less but I couldn't ever tell. The PJ1 Blue spray definitely catches less dirt than the Black, but several tests show that it doesn't lube nearly as well for on-road use, either... go figger. It's all a compromise. If you ride mostly on road, the wax may be a good solution for you. Don't let it get dirty, though... which is why many people on this list seem to find that WD-40 as a "lube"/chain cleaner is the best solution for them. Thor

bud5711@... wrote:

>"If you've been using WD-40 as a chain lube we have a surprise for you. It doesn't work! WD-40 attracts dirt to your chain and is not much of a lubricant for anything besides a squeaky door hinge." >

That's not true, and I would politely point out that the people who are selling you more expensive chain lube are not the first place to look for straight answers. WD40 flings off along with the dirt, leaving behind a little bit of oily anti-corrosive stuff (just guessing but since I ride year-round on salty NY roads and don't get chain rust....). You have to hit the chain every time you gas up on a long trip. Takes 5 seconds, lean bike onto sidestand and front wheel, have friend hold it up, spin rear wheel and liberally hose contershaft sprocket until WD40 drips off the swingarm. No, it's not much of a lubricant. The lubricant (grease) is held inside the chain by the o-rings, of you are using a non-oring chain then you can't use just WD40 for chain "lube".

>iv'e tried a lot of chain lubes over the years >this Maxima chain wax truly does not fling > >

Go do a nice sand ride, and see how the chain lube that does not fling holds the sand on your chain and sprockets, turning it into a fine grinding paste that also does not fling. I'm sure it works great for the street. I use Krytech chain wax on my SR500 street bikes. Devon

In a message dated 2004-06-21 11:13:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, bud5711@... writes:

> "If you've been using WD-40 as a chain lube we have a surprise for you. It > doesn't work! WD-40 attracts dirt to your chain and is not much of a > lubricant for anything besides a squeaky door hinge." > > iv'e tried a lot of chain lubes over the years > this Maxima chain wax truly does not fling > > Roger > A18 NoT pink yet > >

For off roading nothing much s perfect, but of all the chain lubes I've tried I like the Maxima product best. While it still catches the dirt, when used as directed it catches less than most any other I've tried. If you go off roading one of the best investments you can make is to purchase the miniature Moose chain washer. Its a small box, about 4" by 4" and. Inside it has two sets of rotating brushes that are turned by the movement of the chain. The top comes off and snaps over the chain. Fill it with kerosene (or even lamp oil) and with a couple of spins of the tire your chain is clean. When I get back from a ride I clean the chain and then apply the chain wax while the chain is still hot. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actually wd 40 is a great cleaner, and when dry does not attract dirt, however it leave no trace of lubricant behind. It is great for cleaning though! And it indeed does work great on squeeky hinges (and squeeky computer chairs! --- kdxkawboy@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2004-06-21 11:13:57 AM Pacific > Daylight Time, > bud5711@... writes: > > > "If you've been using WD-40 as a chain lube we > have a surprise for you. It > > doesn't work! WD-40 attracts dirt to your chain > and is not much of a > > lubricant for anything besides a squeaky door > hinge." > > > > iv'e tried a lot of chain lubes over the years > > this Maxima chain wax truly does not fling > > > > Roger > > A18 NoT pink yet > > > > > > For off roading nothing much s perfect, but of all > the chain lubes I've tried > I like the Maxima product best. While it still > catches the dirt, when used as > directed it catches less than most any other I've > tried. > > If you go off roading one of the best investments > you can make is to purchase > the miniature Moose chain washer. Its a small box, > about 4" by 4" and. Inside > it has two sets of rotating brushes that are turned > by the movement of the > chain. The top comes off and snaps over the chain. > Fill it with kerosene (or > even lamp oil) and with a couple of spins of the > tire your chain is clean. When I > get back from a ride I clean the chain and then > apply the chain wax while the > chain is still hot. > > Pat > G'ville, Nv > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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--- Roger wrote:

> i recommend wd-40 for use when cleaning a chain

becuase it's mostly a solvent and a moisture inhibitor .....but i think the wax is a good long lasting lubricant i also use pj-1 blue bequase it doesn't sling off either ......not only do the pins inside the chain link need lube but the sprocket to roller surfaces also need to have some lube....

> > "If you've been using WD-40 as a chain lube we have > a surprise for you. It doesn't work! WD-40 attracts > dirt to your chain and is not much of a lubricant > for anything besides a squeaky door hinge." > > iv'e tried a lot of chain lubes over the years > this Maxima chain wax truly does not fling > > Roger > A18 NoT pink yet > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >

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I went down in the garage and dug out my chain lube which is a new formulation and let me tell you it's some amazingly sticky stuff. It is Bel Ray New super clean Chain lube which I got at the Yamaha Suzuki dealer in Monterey, CA. It comes in a can with a dark blue label. The thing I like about this lube, is it stays on the chain and ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT FLING OFF. It also applies very thickly, leaving a thick white coating so that you can easily see where it has been applied. The outer protective coating it leaves on the chain will not attract dirt, sand or grit. everyone should try a small 6 oz. can of this stuff, it's definitely different than the other chain lubes. http://www.belray.com/consumer/productpages/chainlube.html Conall http://www.klr650.cc

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" wrote: > > > "If you've been using WD-40 as a chain lube we have a surprise for you. It doesn't work! WD-40 attracts dirt to your chain and is not much of a lubricant for anything besides a squeaky door hinge." > > iv'e tried a lot of chain lubes over the years > this Maxima chain wax truly does not fling > > Roger > A18 NoT pink yet _______________________________________________

I agree this is pretty good stuff. I've been using it for the last 26K miles on my original chain. However, I think WD40 is still a better alternative for dirt riding. The nice thing is that WD40 takes the Bel Ray right off making it easy enough to alternate between the two. Matt

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Conall" wrote: > I went down in the garage and dug out my chain lube which is a new > formulation and let me tell you it's some amazingly sticky stuff. > > It is Bel Ray New super clean Chain lube > _______________________________________________

EbarDP48@... wrote:

> Out of Highlands we took Horse cove rd east to bull pen rd.(national

Wife and I honeymooned in Highland years ago and I can still fondly recall her screams as we wizzed around on my R100GS - beautiful roads - but maybe not so nice from the backseat where you notice the cliffs on the side of the road with only a small stone curb seperating you from the abyss. Hopefully headed back up that way in July! -- Jim - Riding the backroads of central NC ----------------------------------------- KLR650 - A12 - "Gonzo"