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Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:40 am**

I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the front wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock Dunlop, and even the K270's. I can put them all to howling if I want. I've got no problem with people buying and selling these, that's not the problem. It's people outriding their abilities, and blaming a relatively good system for their own failures. Save your money. Put it to good use, like a safety course or 2, some "correct" riding gear, an AMA or Blue Ribbon Coalition donation/membership. Yeah, the existing brake setup is a bit small for a skinny 21" tire, with a contact patch the side of a postage stamp. But put the same thing on a 16" or a wider street and you'll be scraping yourself off the front fender. The RD350 Yamaha's owners found that out with their measly little front disk. It's the same reason that you use a cheater bar for rusted nuts. That tiny little brake on the big wheel is like trying to bust the countershaft sprocket nut off with a 1/4" ratchet. A 16" rim would be like a 1/2 or 3/4" ratchet on the same nut. But my nagging question is: how is that new rotor going to get you out of that "I need more braking power now cause I've outridden my skill level or road conditions" mess you've already found yourself in before? If you can't ride within the limits of the bike, it's time for something else, say a small scooter, until you learn to ride within those limits. Just how is that new supergrippystoponadime rotor going to give you added stopping power when you're in the muck, mud, slime, sand, gravel, dirt? I've got the scars to prove that the front will let you know who's boss on any of those. I'll settle for my supersloppycan'tstopworthafuckstockone that still locks it up on the dirt or pavement if I want. More control. But I like benefit for cost. I couldn't justify the cost of a new hunnerddollar plastic gas tank just for 50 more miles of range, how could I justify another $300 for something that will do what I already have. Maybe it's the "cool" factor, but Pookie definately ain't cool! I grew out of being cool a long time ago, that's why I bought a KLR. Someone gives me one free, sorry, no thanks. Cost/benefit ratio just ain't there. I'll just wait for the glut of them that's sure to show up on Ebay, along with the rest of the "front-ended, I just couldn't stop in time" bikes. Makes the parts prices go lower. I've been riding one motorized 2 wheeled thing or another since I was 5. I'm now 38. Riding outside conditions and you're abilities will outweigh all benefits of ALL installed devices. I'm finished ranting. I'll let you guys spend your money. millerized Flame if you want, I stand by my opinions. And they are that- opinions based on my years riding. Just because opinions are like assholes (everyone has one, some stink, some are louder than others, etc.) however doesn't make them any less valuable. The lesson you learn from the old guy just might save your life someday. They have for me. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rsanders30117" wrote:

> > Over sized front rotor beats all other KLR650 brake modifications. > After almost rear ending a truck, I installed a M.A.P. over size > rotor & the amount of improvement is amazing! Later I installed > stainless braided brake line but couldn't really detect much > improvement (I love to tinker). I guess the over sized rotor was > such an improvement that braided brake lines couldn't do much more. > > If you are going the ride your KLR650 on the street, you really > should install this upgrade. > > The only concern I have is that the larger front rotor appears more > vulnerable. Having said that however, I've been off paved roads

many

> times & thankfully no problems yet but I would install a protective > cover if I could find one that big. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "weave7112003"

> wrote: > > Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in > > use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs. > > Thanks

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:55 am**

Maybe fat people have a harder time stopping. I only weigh 180# ready to ride. Also, perhaps a lot of gear strapped to the bike makes the extra braking useful. My stock 2004 stops pretty fast. Mark Lewis

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:59 am**

Monday, March 8, 2004, 9:39:59 AM, James wrote: JLMJ> I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the front JLMJ> wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and JLMJ> that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock It would be interesting to see a good comparison if 3-4 people with various setups could do a test. - stock - stock with braided line - oversize - oversize w/braided line - different pads Or course with tires, and other mods it would be hard to judge their impact but it would be interesting to see - much like the carb/pipe mods and claimed HP increases. With the progressive springs and a braided brake line I had the shortest stops in my ERC class. Granted most of the bikes were cruisers...

jim

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:04 am**

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr." wrote:

> I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the

front

> wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and > that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock > Dunlop, and even the K270's. I can put them all to howling if I > want.

Good for you. So with that logic, you shouldn't have to make any changes at all on the KLR. But maybe, just maybe, a person likes the feedback and progressive feel the new rotor gives and gives them a bit more confidence on the bike. Why is that a bad thing? What you refer to in your post is widely known as the "Volvo Syndrome". In a nutshell, when Volvo cars were rated as the safest cars, people went out, bought them and drove them throwing caution to the wind and thus, Volvos are involved in more accidents than any other car. I think this is more true for people who go out and buy Aerostich riding suits than those who upgrade brakes, but that is another post. If a mod is going to give a rider the slightest edge in safety, do it. You cannot argue the fact that an oversized rotor on a KLR enhances its braking. I submit to you that an oversized rotor on a KLR650 is money well spent. Much better than money spent on dash boards, highwaypegs, anodized fork legs, loud pipes, etc... Gino Rider Valley Motorcycles

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:29 am**

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but I also stand by opinion that upgrading my KLR650 front rotor with a MAP kit was the best modifications I've made. Granted that we all should ride safely within ours & our bike's limitations but I for one like having as much safety factor as possible for the unforeseen hazard such as something or someone darting into the road. We all also make mistakes occasionally; which is why I really appreciate having as much stopping ability as possible. This why I invested in upgrading my bike's stopping potential so I can hopefully get safely out of a bad situation & learn how to avoid it in the future. The KLR650 front brake is fine off the pavement where your tire has limited traction. However, on the street with a street oriented DS tire, the standard front brake is overwhelmed. Increasing the front rotor diameter is the only way to really bring the braking force up to what a good street DS tire can handle on pavement. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr." wrote:

> I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the

front

> wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and > that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock > Dunlop, and even the K270's. I can put them all to howling if I > want. > I've got no problem with people buying and selling these,

that's

> not the problem. It's people outriding their abilities, and

blaming

> a relatively good system for their own failures. Save your money. > Put it to good use, like a safety course or 2, some "correct"

riding

> gear, an AMA or Blue Ribbon Coalition donation/membership. > Yeah, the existing brake setup is a bit small for a skinny 21" > tire, with a contact patch the side of a postage stamp. But put

the

> same thing on a 16" or a wider street and you'll be scraping

yourself

> off the front fender. The RD350 Yamaha's owners found that out with > their measly little front disk. It's the same reason that you use

a

> cheater bar for rusted nuts. That tiny little brake on the big

wheel

> is like trying to bust the countershaft sprocket nut off with a

1/4"

> ratchet. A 16" rim would be like a 1/2 or 3/4" ratchet on the same > nut. > But my nagging question is: how is that new rotor going to get

you

> out of that "I need more braking power now cause I've outridden my > skill level or road conditions" mess you've already found yourself

in

> before? If you can't ride within the limits of the bike, it's time > for something else, say a small scooter, until you learn to ride > within those limits. > Just how is that new supergrippystoponadime rotor going to give > you added stopping power when you're in the muck, mud, slime, sand, > gravel, dirt? I've got the scars to prove that the front will let > you know who's boss on any of those. I'll settle for my > supersloppycan'tstopworthafuckstockone that still locks it up on

the

> dirt or pavement if I want. More control. > But I like benefit for cost. I couldn't justify the cost of a > new hunnerddollar plastic gas tank just for 50 more miles of range, > how could I justify another $300 for something that will do what I > already have. > Maybe it's the "cool" factor, but Pookie definately ain't cool!

I

> grew out of being cool a long time ago, that's why I bought a KLR. > Someone gives me one free, sorry, no thanks. Cost/benefit ratio > just ain't there. I'll just wait for the glut of them that's sure

to

> show up on Ebay, along with the rest of the "front-ended, I just > couldn't stop in time" bikes. Makes the parts prices go lower. > I've been riding one motorized 2 wheeled thing or another since

I

> was 5. I'm now 38. Riding outside conditions and you're abilities > will outweigh all benefits of ALL installed devices. > I'm finished ranting. I'll let you guys spend your money. > > millerized > > Flame if you want, I stand by my opinions. And they are that- > opinions based on my years riding. Just because opinions are like > assholes (everyone has one, some stink, some are louder than

others,

> etc.) however doesn't make them any less valuable. The lesson you > learn from the old guy just might save your life someday. They have > for me. > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rsanders30117" > wrote: > > > > Over sized front rotor beats all other KLR650 brake

modifications.

> > After almost rear ending a truck, I installed a M.A.P. over size > > rotor & the amount of improvement is amazing! Later I installed > > stainless braided brake line but couldn't really detect much > > improvement (I love to tinker). I guess the over sized rotor was > > such an improvement that braided brake lines couldn't do much

more.

> > > > If you are going the ride your KLR650 on the street, you really > > should install this upgrade. > > > > The only concern I have is that the larger front rotor appears

more

> > vulnerable. Having said that however, I've been off paved roads > many > > times & thankfully no problems yet but I would install a

protective

> > cover if I could find one that big. > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "weave7112003" > > > wrote: > > > Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in > > > use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs. > > > Thanks

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:34 am**

No flame from me and I started this tangent in December. Stay cool. Mike Torst Las Vegas

> -----Original Message----- > From: James L. Miller Jr. [mailto:millerized_2000@...] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:40 AM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Oversize Rotor now my rant > > I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the front > wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and > that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock > Dunlop, and even the K270's. I can put them all to howling if I > want. > I've got no problem with people buying and selling these, that's > not the problem. It's people outriding their abilities, and blaming > a relatively good system for their own failures. Save your money. > Put it to good use, like a safety course or 2, some "correct" riding > gear, an AMA or Blue Ribbon Coalition donation/membership. > Yeah, the existing brake setup is a bit small for a skinny 21" > tire, with a contact patch the side of a postage stamp. But put the > same thing on a 16" or a wider street and you'll be scraping yourself > off the front fender. The RD350 Yamaha's owners found that out with > their measly little front disk. It's the same reason that you use a > cheater bar for rusted nuts. That tiny little brake on the big wheel > is like trying to bust the countershaft sprocket nut off with a 1/4" > ratchet. A 16" rim would be like a 1/2 or 3/4" ratchet on the same > nut. > But my nagging question is: how is that new rotor going to get you > out of that "I need more braking power now cause I've outridden my > skill level or road conditions" mess you've already found yourself in > before? If you can't ride within the limits of the bike, it's time > for something else, say a small scooter, until you learn to ride > within those limits. > Just how is that new supergrippystoponadime rotor going to give > you added stopping power when you're in the muck, mud, slime, sand, > gravel, dirt? I've got the scars to prove that the front will let > you know who's boss on any of those. I'll settle for my > supersloppycan'tstopworthafuckstockone that still locks it up on the > dirt or pavement if I want. More control. > But I like benefit for cost. I couldn't justify the cost of a > new hunnerddollar plastic gas tank just for 50 more miles of range, > how could I justify another $300 for something that will do what I > already have. > Maybe it's the "cool" factor, but Pookie definately ain't cool! I > grew out of being cool a long time ago, that's why I bought a KLR. > Someone gives me one free, sorry, no thanks. Cost/benefit ratio > just ain't there. I'll just wait for the glut of them that's sure to > show up on Ebay, along with the rest of the "front-ended, I just > couldn't stop in time" bikes. Makes the parts prices go lower. > I've been riding one motorized 2 wheeled thing or another since I > was 5. I'm now 38. Riding outside conditions and you're abilities > will outweigh all benefits of ALL installed devices. > I'm finished ranting. I'll let you guys spend your money. > > millerized > > Flame if you want, I stand by my opinions. And they are that- > opinions based on my years riding. Just because opinions are like > assholes (everyone has one, some stink, some are louder than others, > etc.) however doesn't make them any less valuable. The lesson you > learn from the old guy just might save your life someday. They have > for me. > >

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:24 am**

How did ya know I LOVE trout? Mike Torst Las Vegas

> -----Original Message----- > From: James L. Miller Jr. [mailto:millerized_2000@...] > Subject: Re: Oversize Rotor now my rant > > You're just trying to stay on my good side so I'll send you some > trout!:-) > millerized > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Torst" wrote: > > No flame from me and I started this tangent in December. > > > > Stay cool. > > > > > > Mike Torst > > Las Vegas > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: James L. Miller Jr. [mailto:millerized_2000@y...] > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 6:40 AM > > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Oversize Rotor now my rant > > > > > > I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the > front

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Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:04 pm**

> you know who's boss on any of those. I'll settle for my > supersloppycan'tstopworthafuckstockone that still locks it up on the > dirt or pavement if I want. More control.

I don't buy that argument. The ability to lock a wheel isn't much of a metric for judging how good the brakes are. Drum brakes can lock up wheels just fine too. Does that mean that disc brakes are a waste of money? For that matter, shoving a steel pipe through the spokes will lock a wheel real nice. Should we abolish everything else just because between draging your feet on the ground and sticking a pipe through the spokes you can both slow down gradually and lock your wheels? Sure, many of the situations that a KLR finds itself in don't require better brakes, but there are also plenty of situations when better brakes would come in quite handy, even when you're not out-riding your abilities. -Lujo A13 with a stock rotor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:13 pm**

It says here that if you can lock your front wheel, then all the brakes in the world won't allow you to stop any faster. All other things being equal, a well set up drum brake can stop you as fast as any disk. You can argue all you want with that, but you will be wrong. With most DS tires, if you can't lock the front with the stock brake on your KLR, your pads are probably contaminated. One-finger stopping may be nice, but I like to think I can adapt to grabbing the lever a little harder. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rsanders30117" wrote:

> Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but I also stand by > opinion that upgrading my KLR650 front rotor with a MAP kit was the > best modifications I've made. Granted that we all should ride safely > within ours & our bike's limitations but I for one like having as > much safety factor as possible for the unforeseen hazard such as > something or someone darting into the road. We all also make > mistakes occasionally; which is why I really appreciate having as > much stopping ability as possible. This why I invested in upgrading > my bike's stopping potential so I can hopefully get safely out of a > bad situation & learn how to avoid it in the future. > > The KLR650 front brake is fine off the pavement where your tire has > limited traction. However, on the street with a street oriented DS > tire, the standard front brake is overwhelmed. Increasing the front > rotor diameter is the only way to really bring the braking force up > to what a good street DS tire can handle on pavement. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr." > wrote: > > I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the > front > > wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and > > that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock > > Dunlop, and even the K270's. I can put them all to howling if I > > want. > > I've got no problem with people buying and selling these, > that's > > not the problem. It's people outriding their abilities, and > blaming > > a relatively good system for their own failures. Save your money. > > Put it to good use, like a safety course or 2, some "correct" > riding > > gear, an AMA or Blue Ribbon Coalition donation/membership. > > Yeah, the existing brake setup is a bit small for a skinny 21" > > tire, with a contact patch the side of a postage stamp. But put > the > > same thing on a 16" or a wider street and you'll be scraping > yourself > > off the front fender. The RD350 Yamaha's owners found that out with > > their measly little front disk. It's the same reason that you use > a > > cheater bar for rusted nuts. That tiny little brake on the big > wheel > > is like trying to bust the countershaft sprocket nut off with a > 1/4" > > ratchet. A 16" rim would be like a 1/2 or 3/4" ratchet on the same > > nut. > > But my nagging question is: how is that new rotor going to get > you > > out of that "I need more braking power now cause I've outridden my > > skill level or road conditions" mess you've already found yourself > in > > before? If you can't ride within the limits of the bike, it's time > > for something else, say a small scooter, until you learn to ride > > within those limits. > > Just how is that new supergrippystoponadime rotor going to give > > you added stopping power when you're in the muck, mud, slime, sand, > > gravel, dirt? I've got the scars to prove that the front will let > > you know who's boss on any of those. I'll settle for my > > supersloppycan'tstopworthafuckstockone that still locks it up on > the > > dirt or pavement if I want. More control. > > But I like benefit for cost. I couldn't justify the cost of a > > new hunnerddollar plastic gas tank just for 50 more miles of range, > > how could I justify another $300 for something that will do what I > > already have. > > Maybe it's the "cool" factor, but Pookie definately ain't cool! > I > > grew out of being cool a long time ago, that's why I bought a KLR. > > Someone gives me one free, sorry, no thanks. Cost/benefit ratio > > just ain't there. I'll just wait for the glut of them that's sure > to > > show up on Ebay, along with the rest of the "front-ended, I just > > couldn't stop in time" bikes. Makes the parts prices go lower. > > I've been riding one motorized 2 wheeled thing or another since > I > > was 5. I'm now 38. Riding outside conditions and you're abilities > > will outweigh all benefits of ALL installed devices. > > I'm finished ranting. I'll let you guys spend your money. > > > > millerized > > > > Flame if you want, I stand by my opinions. And they are that- > > opinions based on my years riding. Just because opinions are like > > assholes (everyone has one, some stink, some are louder than > others, > > etc.) however doesn't make them any less valuable. The lesson you > > learn from the old guy just might save your life someday. They have > > for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rsanders30117" > > wrote: > > > > > > Over sized front rotor beats all other KLR650 brake > modifications. > > > After almost rear ending a truck, I installed a M.A.P. over size > > > rotor & the amount of improvement is amazing! Later I installed > > > stainless braided brake line but couldn't really detect much > > > improvement (I love to tinker). I guess the over sized rotor was > > > such an improvement that braided brake lines couldn't do much > more. > > > > > > If you are going the ride your KLR650 on the street, you really > > > should install this upgrade. > > > > > > The only concern I have is that the larger front rotor appears > more > > > vulnerable. Having said that however, I've been off paved roads > > many > > > times & thankfully no problems yet but I would install a > protective > > > cover if I could find one that big. > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "weave7112003" > > > > > wrote: > > > > Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in > > > > use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs. > > > > Thanks

Posted: **Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:14 pm**

It says here that if you can lock your front wheel, then all the brakes in the world won't allow you to stop any faster. All other things being equal, a well set up drum brake can stop you as fast as any disk. You can argue all you want with that, but you will be wrong. With most DS tires, if you can't lock the front with the stock brake on your KLR, your pads are probably contaminated. One-finger stopping may be nice, but I like to think I can adapt to grabbing the lever a little harder. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rsanders30117" wrote:

> Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion but I also stand by > opinion that upgrading my KLR650 front rotor with a MAP kit was the > best modifications I've made. Granted that we all should ride safely > within ours & our bike's limitations but I for one like having as > much safety factor as possible for the unforeseen hazard such as > something or someone darting into the road. We all also make > mistakes occasionally; which is why I really appreciate having as > much stopping ability as possible. This why I invested in upgrading > my bike's stopping potential so I can hopefully get safely out of a > bad situation & learn how to avoid it in the future. > > The KLR650 front brake is fine off the pavement where your tire has > limited traction. However, on the street with a street oriented DS > tire, the standard front brake is overwhelmed. Increasing the front > rotor diameter is the only way to really bring the braking force up > to what a good street DS tire can handle on pavement. > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr." > wrote: > > I must have the exception to the rule. I can't stand it on the > front > > wheel, but I can lock up every tire I've ever had on this bike, and > > that's normally with just 2 fingers. Kenda Challengers, stock > > Dunlop, and even the K270's. I can put them all to howling if I > > want. > > I've got no problem with people buying and selling these, > that's > > not the problem. It's people outriding their abilities, and > blaming > > a relatively good system for their own failures. Save your money. > > Put it to good use, like a safety course or 2, some "correct" > riding > > gear, an AMA or Blue Ribbon Coalition donation/membership. > > Yeah, the existing brake setup is a bit small for a skinny 21" > > tire, with a contact patch the side of a postage stamp. But put > the > > same thing on a 16" or a wider street and you'll be scraping > yourself > > off the front fender. The RD350 Yamaha's owners found that out with > > their measly little front disk. It's the same reason that you use > a > > cheater bar for rusted nuts. That tiny little brake on the big > wheel > > is like trying to bust the countershaft sprocket nut off with a > 1/4" > > ratchet. A 16" rim would be like a 1/2 or 3/4" ratchet on the same > > nut. > > But my nagging question is: how is that new rotor going to get > you > > out of that "I need more braking power now cause I've outridden my > > skill level or road conditions" mess you've already found yourself > in > > before? If you can't ride within the limits of the bike, it's time > > for something else, say a small scooter, until you learn to ride > > within those limits. > > Just how is that new supergrippystoponadime rotor going to give > > you added stopping power when you're in the muck, mud, slime, sand, > > gravel, dirt? I've got the scars to prove that the front will let > > you know who's boss on any of those. I'll settle for my > > supersloppycan'tstopworthafuckstockone that still locks it up on > the > > dirt or pavement if I want. More control. > > But I like benefit for cost. I couldn't justify the cost of a > > new hunnerddollar plastic gas tank just for 50 more miles of range, > > how could I justify another $300 for something that will do what I > > already have. > > Maybe it's the "cool" factor, but Pookie definately ain't cool! > I > > grew out of being cool a long time ago, that's why I bought a KLR. > > Someone gives me one free, sorry, no thanks. Cost/benefit ratio > > just ain't there. I'll just wait for the glut of them that's sure > to > > show up on Ebay, along with the rest of the "front-ended, I just > > couldn't stop in time" bikes. Makes the parts prices go lower. > > I've been riding one motorized 2 wheeled thing or another since > I > > was 5. I'm now 38. Riding outside conditions and you're abilities > > will outweigh all benefits of ALL installed devices. > > I'm finished ranting. I'll let you guys spend your money. > > > > millerized > > > > Flame if you want, I stand by my opinions. And they are that- > > opinions based on my years riding. Just because opinions are like > > assholes (everyone has one, some stink, some are louder than > others, > > etc.) however doesn't make them any less valuable. The lesson you > > learn from the old guy just might save your life someday. They have > > for me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rsanders30117" > > wrote: > > > > > > Over sized front rotor beats all other KLR650 brake > modifications. > > > After almost rear ending a truck, I installed a M.A.P. over size > > > rotor & the amount of improvement is amazing! Later I installed > > > stainless braided brake line but couldn't really detect much > > > improvement (I love to tinker). I guess the over sized rotor was > > > such an improvement that braided brake lines couldn't do much > more. > > > > > > If you are going the ride your KLR650 on the street, you really > > > should install this upgrade. > > > > > > The only concern I have is that the larger front rotor appears > more > > > vulnerable. Having said that however, I've been off paved roads > > many > > > times & thankfully no problems yet but I would install a > protective > > > cover if I could find one that big. > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "weave7112003" > > > > > wrote: > > > > Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in > > > > use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs. > > > > Thanks

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