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oversize rotor
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:09 am
by weave7112003
Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in
use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs.
Thanks
oversize rotor
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:55 pm
by Guest
I have the oversized front rotor kit on my KLR650 A12. I decided I
needed to do something after we had a braking distance shoot-out in
MSF Advanced Class. Everyone was riding their own motorcycles and we
all had to perform maximum non-lockup braking from a set speed
(probably 20 mph but my memory has faded) with the instructors
measuring how far we went before we stopped. The Honda 600 racer
replicas won with some nicely executed stoppies. The BMW 650
dual-sport was next best. Even the huge Triumph touring bike (with
hard bags, no less) stopped only a little more poorly than the
racer-replica Hondas. My KLR650 with stock rotors and brake pads was
dead last by a factor of two. That is, it took me twice as far to
stop as the next worst motorcycle. The instructors were sufficiently
negatively impressed that they let me try the stopping drill several
more times trying to improve my results. I was squeezing the front
brake lever as hard as I could and chirping the rear tire as it
threatened to lock up. After the braking distance shoot out one of
the MSF instructors took me aside and gently suggested I might want
to do something about my motorcycles brakes, as my motorcycle's
exceptionally poor braking performance might tend to get me killed in
stop-and-go traffic. He also observed that my KLR650's stopping
performance was the worst he had seen in all the years he had been
teaching the MSF Advanced Course.
I took his suggestion to heart. I ordered an oversized front rotor
kit from Fred Hink at Arrowhead Motorsports. I installed it (very
easy installation even for non-mechanics like me). I love it and am
never going back. As Fred predicted, I had about a 150 mile break-in
period to get the rotor scrubbed in and the new brake pads broken in.
I now can do stoppies (but only if I want them) on the street with
Galfer green brake pads. With the puny one-pot stock front KLR650
caliper and normal 2-finger squeeze forces applied to the front brake
lever I still have excellent modulation on dirt and loose surfaces
with no front brake lock-up problems. Other than the high purchase
price this rotor kit is all win and no lose. With the
now-significantly reduced prices due to the group buy (good job, Mike
and Fred), even the hideously high purchase price has come down.
Very highly recommended if you ever ride on the street in traffic
(particularly at highway speeds with idiots ahead of you suddenly
slamming on their brakes), and ought to have been on the bike as it
comes from the Kawasaki factory. Pathetic 1986 dirt-bike braking
performance on motorcycles being ridden in today's aggressive traffic
is not acceptable.
Extreme front fork dive with the significantly improved braking due to
the bigger rotor will soon have you wanting stiffer fork springs if
you do not already have them.
-- Marc, KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado USA
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 22:24:44 -0000
From: "weave7112003"
Subject: Oversize Rotor
Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in use.
Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs.
oversize rotor
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:27 pm
by Arden Kysely
My A11 with the Braking oversized rotor and stock brake line stops
much better than my A1 with stock rotor and braided steel brake line
did. The big rotor was on the bike when I bought it. Not sure if I
would have spent the bucks for it myself, probaby would have gone
with stocker and steel line. If you're heavy or carry heavy loads,
some sort of brake upgrade is definitely in order.
__Arden
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "weave7112003"
wrote:
> Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in
> use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs.
> Thanks
oversize rotor
Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:46 pm
by Dave Watkins
From The Great White North,
Last year I attended CMC 2003 in Moab and installed the first oversize rotor
from Cycle Brakes that was available. I Had them ship the complete kit,
lines and all to Fred's shop as I was leaving right away and there was no
way I could get it installed prior to leaving from Calgary.
On the trip down the total weight of the bike and rider was 558 Lbs. To say
quick stops were a concern was an understatement. Once I installed the kit
it was like a new bike. Even with the overload I was carrying I could stop
in any situation without any worries.
I posted a write-up after CMC last year to this list..... perhaps someone
could find it and post it here for all to see/read again?
I'm running out the door right now and will look for it later.
In short, let me say that I feel that the rotor replacement coupled with a
front spring set upgrade is without a doubt the most significant improvement
I have made to the bike overall. While expensive I feel that to get the best
results it's best to 1. replace both lines with stainless braided ones, 2.
Upgrade the springs, 3. Replace the rotor.
HTH
Cheers,
Dave Watkins
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dave@...
www.davewatkins.net
Voice: 403-701-5746 Fax: 403-266-0626
Hardware/Software Sales, Service & Support
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Would like a report from those that have oversize rotor in
use.Brakes are a great thing to upgrade if it really performs.
Thanks
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oversize rotor
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:49 am
by Thor Lancelot Simon
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:45:45PM -0700, Dave Watkins wrote:
>
> In short, let me say that I feel that the rotor replacement coupled with a
> front spring set upgrade is without a doubt the most significant improvement
> I have made to the bike overall. While expensive I feel that to get the best
> results it's best to 1. replace both lines with stainless braided ones, 2.
> Upgrade the springs, 3. Replace the rotor.
I can't imagine ever wanting more rear brake -- it's trivial to lock up
the rear on pavement with the stock configuration.
Thor
oversize rotor
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 5:41 am
by Mark Sampson
I'm happy with the stock brakes-----but I'm usually riding in
loose dirt and rocks. I don't want a stronger front brake---but I can
see where guys that burn up the pavement would.
Mark Sampson
www.bigdogadventures.com
oversize rotor
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:23 pm
by Paul Dent
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sampson"
wrote:
>
> I'm happy with the stock brakes-----but I'm usually riding in
> loose dirt and rocks. I don't want a stronger front brake---but I
can
> see where guys that burn up the pavement would.
I bought my A16 with the oversize rotor and Progressive springs
already installed. Although I therefore can't compare it to stock, I
think having less brake would be downright perilous on the street. I
am seriously considering steel braided lines as the action is still
spongy. Of course my other bike is a Monster with dual Brembos up
front (too much brake for the city, actually). When I have the KLR
off road, I see the value in having weaker brakes, but my riding is
98% street and I have to put that top priority.
The rear brake is fine, as someone else posted. It's easy to lock.
Speaking of front brakes, I notice that as I come to a stop under
moderate to strong braking, I feel a shudder from the front as I
approach zero MPH. It got better when I replaced the stock tires
with Gripsters, but it's still there. Anyone else experiencing this?
Paul
A16L
01 M750 'G'
SF, CA
oversize rotor
Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 11:54 pm
by Keith Saltzer
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Dent" wrote:
> --- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Sampson"
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm happy with the stock brakes-----but I'm usually riding in
> > loose dirt and rocks. I don't want a stronger front brake---but I
> can
> > see where guys that burn up the pavement would.
>
>
> I bought my A16 with the oversize rotor and Progressive springs
> already installed. Although I therefore can't compare it to stock,
I
> think having less brake would be downright perilous on the street.
I
> am seriously considering steel braided lines as the action is still
> spongy. Of course my other bike is a Monster with dual Brembos up
> front (too much brake for the city, actually). When I have the KLR
> off road, I see the value in having weaker brakes, but my riding is
> 98% street and I have to put that top priority.
>
> The rear brake is fine, as someone else posted. It's easy to lock.
>
> Speaking of front brakes, I notice that as I come to a stop under
> moderate to strong braking, I feel a shudder from the front as I
> approach zero MPH. It got better when I replaced the stock tires
> with Gripsters, but it's still there. Anyone else experiencing
this?
>
> Paul
> A16L
> 01 M750 'G'
> SF, CA
Hey Paul! Any and every time I have felt exactly what you are
talking about, (shuddering just as you are close to a complete stop)
I have found that the steering stem head was a bit loose. When I
have adjusted and tightened it all up (and I go a tad tighter than
what the manual suggests) all the shuddering goes away.
MrMoose
A8 (Barbie and Ken special)
oversize rotor
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:58 am
by Dave Watkins
Good point MrMoose.....
And the braided lines will remove the spongy feeling when you apply the
brakes....
Cheers,
Dave Watkins
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
dave@...
www.davewatkins.net
Voice: 403-701-5746 Fax: 403-266-0626
Hardware/Software Sales, Service & Support
Electronics Restoration Specialists
Hey Paul! Any and every time I have felt exactly what you are
talking about, (shuddering just as you are close to a complete stop)
I have found that the steering stem head was a bit loose. When I
have adjusted and tightened it all up (and I go a tad tighter than
what the manual suggests) all the shuddering goes away.
MrMoose
A8 (Barbie and Ken special)
stuck in neutral - - -
Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:17 am
by James L. Miller Jr.
Shift lever broken (if still stock one) or loose , shift fork (inside
the cases) or linkage (also inside). Closer examination will tell you.
millerized
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Ron" wrote:
> Just went for a ride - sort of. After a stop, and coming down the
gears and
> going for first (2002 KLR 650 only 11000 miles - good care - no
wheelies
> mostly single up light loads - in other words babied)
> Anyway I could not get it to shift into first - then it would not
go back up
> to second - now it flat won't go into any gear. I have what
appears to be
> normal shift lever movement. There was no grinding - no clunks -
nothing.
> Simply would not go into first and now will not shift out of
neutral. The
> side stand switch has been 'defeated' , the neutral light is lit -
just will
> not go into any gear.
> Any ideas out there???
> Ron in Montana
> A-16
> A-8
> H-D Road Toad