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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:34 am
by Chris Krok
> From: "trailbuster30"
> Subject: NKLR:Toyota Scion, what are they thinking?
>
> I guess this is what happens when engineers style cars instead of designers.
Wait just a freakin' second. I doubt any engineer designed that car;
designers and marketing research did. Engineers have to put up with
their crap and make the car work (which, granted, was probably easy in
this case).
Krokko
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Dr. J. Christopher Krok
John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel
Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125
nklr scion
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:53 am
by Zachariah Mully
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 10:42, Chris Krok wrote:
> > From: "trailbuster30"
> > Subject: NKLR:Toyota Scion, what are they thinking?
> >
> > I guess this is what happens when engineers style cars instead of designers.
>
> Wait just a freakin' second. I doubt any engineer designed that car;
> designers and marketing research did. Engineers have to put up with
> their crap and make the car work (which, granted, was probably easy in
> this case).
>
> Krokko
I don't know what all you truck and SUV driving suburbanites are
bitching about. Regardless of how ugly you may think it, you'll still be
able to crush one these in your dually crew cab commuter pickup when
you're drinking your Starbuxs grande extra-hot triple mocha latte,
putting on your makeup, and talking on your cell phone while driving the
brats to soccer practice. I, quite frankly, am happy to see the
blossoming of the small car segment here in the states. Heaven knows we
could use more choices when we want a car that gets more than 30 mpg,
can fit in a standard parking spot, and doesn't require I sell my left
kidney on the black market to afford it. I'd own a Smart if I could.
Z
nklr scion
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:10 am
by Lujo Bauer
In a slightly less confrontational vein... the design of the xB doesn't
do much for me, but if I were in the market for a cheap, reliable, and
very practical new car (which is likely the kind of car I'd want if I
wanted a new car) I'd be hard pressed not to put the xA at the top of my
list. For $12965, it seems like an incredible deal.
-Lujo
> I don't know what all you truck and SUV driving suburbanites are
> bitching about. Regardless of how ugly you may think it, you'll still be
> able to crush one these in your dually crew cab commuter pickup when
> you're drinking your Starbuxs grande extra-hot triple mocha latte,
> putting on your makeup, and talking on your cell phone while driving the
> brats to soccer practice. I, quite frankly, am happy to see the
> blossoming of the small car segment here in the states. Heaven knows we
> could use more choices when we want a car that gets more than 30 mpg,
> can fit in a standard parking spot, and doesn't require I sell my left
> kidney on the black market to afford it. I'd own a Smart if I could.
>
> Z DC
> A5X
> A12X
nklr scion
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:13 am
by KJ
I'M totally with Zach on this one. And smaller cars are easier to see over
in traffic . And let's face it, if you get creamed by a semi it won't make a
difference what you are driving. Incase safety is a big concern.
Karl
A14
87 Honda CRX HF (42mpg thank you)
Former Scirocco, Vanagon ,Rabbit owner.
on 2/12/04 10:53 AM, Zachariah Mully at zmully@... wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 10:42, Chris Krok wrote:
>>> From: "trailbuster30"
>>> Subject: NKLR:Toyota Scion, what are they thinking?
>>>
>>> I guess this is what happens when engineers style cars instead of designers.
>>
>> Wait just a freakin' second. I doubt any engineer designed that car;
>> designers and marketing research did. Engineers have to put up with
>> their crap and make the car work (which, granted, was probably easy in
>> this case).
>>
>> Krokko
>
> I don't know what all you truck and SUV driving suburbanites are
> bitching about. Regardless of how ugly you may think it, you'll still be
> able to crush one these in your dually crew cab commuter pickup when
> you're drinking your Starbuxs grande extra-hot triple mocha latte,
> putting on your makeup, and talking on your cell phone while driving the
> brats to soccer practice. I, quite frankly, am happy to see the
> blossoming of the small car segment here in the states. Heaven knows we
> could use more choices when we want a car that gets more than 30 mpg,
> can fit in a standard parking spot, and doesn't require I sell my left
> kidney on the black market to afford it. I'd own a Smart if I could.
>
> Z DC
> A5X
> A12X
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:18 am
by Zachariah Mully
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 11:09, Lujo Bauer wrote:
> In a slightly less confrontational vein... the design of the xB doesn't
> do much for me, but if I were in the market for a cheap, reliable, and
> very practical new car (which is likely the kind of car I'd want if I
> wanted a new car) I'd be hard pressed not to put the xA at the top of my
> list. For $12965, it seems like an incredible deal.
>
> -Lujo
>
I was being sarcastic. Jeez, I thought I had sufficiently overstated
everything...
Z
DC
A5X
A12X
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:03 pm
by kdxkawboy@aol.com
In a message dated 2004-02-12 7:39:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
stingray@... writes:
>
> Wait just a freakin' second. I doubt any engineer designed that car;
> designers and marketing research did. Engineers have to put up with
> their crap and make the car work (which, granted, was probably easy in
> this case).
>
> Krokko
>
You guys are way off base. Marketers designed the Scion. Toyota is worried
that they are not attracting the 20's something so they had their marketing
group come up with the Scion as a way to get younger buyers into a Toyota in hopes
they will replace it with a real Toyota. At least that is they way one of the
auto shows on Spike TV called it on last Saturday's show.
Pat
G'ville, Nv
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nklr scion
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:12 pm
by Tengai Mark Van Horn
At 9:03 PM -0500 2/12/04, kdxkawboy@... wrote:
>You guys are way off base. Marketers designed the Scion. Toyota is worried
>that they are not attracting the 20's something so they had their marketing
>group come up with the Scion as a way to get younger buyers into a
>Toyota in hopes
>they will replace it with a real Toyota.
When I was a 20 something (in the early 90's), I didn't want to drive
a car that looked like a damn rollerskate.
I wanted a Ferrari 246GT.
I ended up with a mint '78 SAAB. My mom said, "Now why did you buy
that freakin' spaceship?"
Mark
http://www.reelrider.com
nklr scion
Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 8:20 pm
by kdxkawboy@aol.com
In a message dated 2004-02-12 6:12:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Tengai650@... writes:
>
> When I was a 20 something (in the early 90's), I didn't want to drive
> a car that looked like a damn rollerskate.
> I wanted a Ferrari 246GT.
> I ended up with a mint '78 SAAB. My mom said, "Now why did you buy
> that freakin' spaceship?"
>
> Mark
>
http://www.reelrider.com
>
While watching the show I was wondering how many 20 somethings would be
willing to be seen in a Scion, especially when it has problems being acceleration
challenged.
Pat
G'ville, Nv
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nklr scion
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:45 am
by Chris Krok
> > Wait just a freakin' second. I doubt any engineer designed that car;
> > designers and marketing research did.
> You guys are way off base. Marketers designed the Scion.
Didn't I just say that?
Krokko
nklr scion
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:06 pm
by dumbazz650
I just read on The Internet that the car's styling and design were
actually done by some special marketing group.
Anyone confirm this?
Thanks,
MarkB
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Chris Krok wrote:
>
> > > Wait just a freakin' second. I doubt any engineer designed
that car;
> > > designers and marketing research did.
>
> > You guys are way off base. Marketers designed the Scion.
>
> Didn't I just say that?
>
> Krokko
> --
> Dr. J. Christopher Krok
> John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel
> Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125