popular mechanics review:

[Alex Y.]

I would love to see Kawasaki replace the KLR with a similar bike that has the DL650 engine and a rear hydraulic drive that is now on the new WR450F 2-trac 2x2 front wheel. A twin KLR with with no chain, but a low maintenance hydraulic pump.

[kaptain_klr]

I'd be happier getting a better balancer system.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Y." wrote: > I would love to see Kawasaki replace the KLR with a similar bike that > has the DL650 engine and a rear hydraulic drive that is now on the new > WR450F 2-trac 2x2 front wheel. > > A twin KLR with with no chain, but a low maintenance hydraulic pump.

[gpokluda]

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Y." wrote: > > I would love to see Kawasaki replace the KLR with a similar bike > that > > has the DL650 engine and a rear hydraulic drive that is now on

the

> new > > WR450F 2-trac 2x2 front wheel.

I predict very soon, you will see more and more machines switch to CVT transmission/final drive. The Kymco Mongoose 250 sport quad destroyed the competition in the Spanish Baja 500 and it ran a CVT. Kawasaki's latest big bore (700cc) sport quad runs a CVT (although they call it an automatic). No human can come close to shifting as good or give the smooth power delivery of a CVT tranny/final drive combo. Plus you save the weight of a gear laden transmission box. Gino Pokluda Rider Valley Motorcycles

[Judson D. Jones]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "gpokluda" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Y."

wrote:

> > > I would love to see Kawasaki replace the KLR with a

similar bike

> > that > > > has the DL650 engine and a rear hydraulic drive that is

now on

> the > > new > > > WR450F 2-trac 2x2 front wheel. > > I predict very soon, you will see more and more machines

switch to

> CVT transmission/final drive. The Kymco Mongoose 250 sport

quad

> destroyed the competition in the Spanish Baja 500 and it ran a

CVT.

> Kawasaki's latest big bore (700cc) sport quad runs a CVT

(although

> they call it an automatic). No human can come close to shifting

as

> good or give the smooth power delivery of a CVT tranny/final

drive

> combo. Plus you save the weight of a gear laden transmission

box. CVT? Constant Velocity Transmission? Is that like a snowmobile-type variable speed belt, or something else?

[Chris]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:58:14AM -0000, Judson D. Jones wrote:

> CVT? Constant Velocity Transmission? Is that like a > snowmobile-type variable speed belt, or something else?

The way it was explained to me is, picture a belt drive on a cone. The ratio changes as you go. My brother drove one of the higher end SUV crossovers that has it, said it feels like an electric motor. He said it feels really solid and immediate, but you can't help cringing a bit under full throttle waiting for the shift that never comes. I'm curious on the quads if there is still engine braking. One of the things I've always despised about a 'regular' automatic, particularly in bad weather or offroad is that you have no real engine braking, they just sort of shift into neutral off the gas. -- ___ ______ _____ __ ________ ___ / _ |< < / == / ___/__ / /_ /_ __/ / __ ____ _ ___ /__ \ / __ |/ // / ****/ (_ / _ \/ __/ / / / _ \/ // / ' \/ _ \ /__/ /_/ |_/_//_/ == \___/\___/\__/ /_/ /_//_/\_,_/_/_/_/ .__/ (_) 8600 miles*Russel Lines*Supertrapp Race* /_/ http://www.panix.com/~cesser/mybike/

[dooden]

I bought my wife a 4x4 Auto, Arctic Cat Quad, that has full auto and also has engine braking. The part about being wide open waiting for that next shift/transmission adjustment is true, it don't happen, but thats around 45 MPH when I look down. Fast enough on a quad. Thing I really don't like is when your riding is there is no burst of power at any throttle setting. This is a good thing, but for those of us that like to spin tires, pop wheelies and just be a goof ball, the auto takes that fun away. Again thats a good thing, it was for my wife and kids to ride not me. While in the woods driving around trees and such the auto sure beats the snot outta feathering a clutch and such though, while your looking for non-destructive ways around things, even crossing rivers and such your feet are high and dry on the floor boards that are 12" above ground. Its seems this thing could tow a tank in low range. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:58:14AM -0000, Judson D. Jones wrote: > > CVT? Constant Velocity Transmission? Is that like a > > snowmobile-type variable speed belt, or something else? > > The way it was explained to me is, picture a belt drive on a cone. > The ratio changes as you go. > > My brother drove one of the higher end SUV crossovers that has it, > said it feels like an electric motor. He said it feels really solid > and immediate, but you can't help cringing a bit under full throttle > waiting for the shift that never comes. > > I'm curious on the quads if there is still engine braking. One of the > things I've always despised about a 'regular' automatic, particularly > in bad weather or offroad is that you have no real engine braking, > they just sort of shift into neutral off the gas. > > > -- > ___ ______ _____ __ ________ ___ > / _ |< < / == / ___/__ / /_ /_ __/ / __ ____ _ ___ /__ \ > / __ |/ // / ****/ (_ / _ \/ __/ / / / _ \/ // / ' \/ _ \ /__/ > /_/ |_/_//_/ == \___/\___/\__/ /_/ /_//_/\_,_/_/_/_/ .__/ (_) > 8600 miles*Russel Lines*Supertrapp Race* /_/ > http://www.panix.com/~cesser/mybike/

[Dave Watkins]

Chris wrote:

>On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:58:14AM -0000, Judson D. Jones wrote: > > >>CVT? Constant Velocity Transmission? Is that like a >>snowmobile-type variable speed belt, or something else? >> >> > >The way it was explained to me is, picture a belt drive on a cone. >The ratio changes as you go. > >My brother drove one of the higher end SUV crossovers that has it, >said it feels like an electric motor. He said it feels really solid >and immediate, but you can't help cringing a bit under full throttle >waiting for the shift that never comes. > >I'm curious on the quads if there is still engine braking. One of the >things I've always despised about a 'regular' automatic, particularly >in bad weather or offroad is that you have no real engine braking, >they just sort of shift into neutral off the gas. > > > >

In fact you have pretty well got the opposite of engine braking!! Try this, approach any segment of icy road and at a given point bring your vehicle to a stop as fast as possible without locking up the wheels. Now, try the same exercise over again but this time place the transmission into neutral. You will quickly note that an automatic transmission will, when left in "Drive", to a degree actually DRIVE the vehicle forward rather than provide any real type of "engine braking". Dropping into neutral will reduce the stopping distance quite a bit. Dave Watkins

[James L. Miller Jr.]

If anyone wants a picture of one of these hooked to a Kawasaki V- twin, let me know. I'll get one posted millerized (odd things have a tendency to make it into my garage when I'm not looking!)

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote: > On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:58:14AM -0000, Judson D. Jones wrote: > > CVT? Constant Velocity Transmission? Is that like a > > snowmobile-type variable speed belt, or something else? > > The way it was explained to me is, picture a belt drive on a cone. > The ratio changes as you go. > > My brother drove one of the higher end SUV crossovers that has it, > said it feels like an electric motor. He said it feels really solid > and immediate, but you can't help cringing a bit under full throttle > waiting for the shift that never comes. > > I'm curious on the quads if there is still engine braking. One of the > things I've always despised about a 'regular' automatic, particularly > in bad weather or offroad is that you have no real engine braking, > they just sort of shift into neutral off the gas. > > > -- > ___ ______ _____ __ ________ ___ > / _ |< < / == / ___/__ / /_ /_ __/ / __ ____ _ ___ /__ \ > / __ |/ // / ****/ (_ / _ \/ __/ / / / _ \/ // / ' \/ _ \ /__/ > /_/ |_/_//_/ == \___/\___/\__/ /_/ /_//_/\_,_/_/_/_/ .__/ (_) > 8600 miles*Russel Lines*Supertrapp Race* /_/ > http://www.panix.com/~cesser/mybike/

[mark hanke]

Let me guess, you own one.

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