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Posted: **Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:51 pm**

Is Castrol GTX oil SG rated, and is it recommended for the KLR? Or would it be better to go with Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil, which is SG rated? I have a '02 KLR 650 with 7k+ miles. -Bill '02 KLR

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 12:41 am**

All Castrol's GTX oils exceed the SG rating you refer to, so you can freely choose from any of the following GTX products that meet your temperature requirements (from the Castrol website): SAE 5W-20: is a premium, multi-grade oil, providing cold start protection with Exceptional Fuel Economy. SAE 5W-20 exceeds API service SL, SJ and SH, as well as exceeding ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and Ford WSS-M2C153-H. SAE 5W-20 should only be used in vehicles where SAE 5W-20 is recommended by manufacturer. SAE 5W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides maximum cold weather engine protection and can help extend engine life. SAE 5W-30 exceeds ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH, as well as exceeding the requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. SAE 10W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides excellent fuel economy and can help extend engine life. SAE 10W-30 exceeds ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. SAE 10W-40: is a premium, super multigrade that provides maximum protection in all seasons and can help extend engine life. SAE 10W- 40 exceeds API service SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the engine protection requirements for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils. SAE 20W-50: is a premium, super multigrade that guards against wear by providing a superior oil film strength and extreme high temperature strength. 20W-50 exceeds API service SL, SJ and SH. Also exceeds the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF-3 for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils. FYI when you see that the ratings are exceeded, as above, it means all the older, obsolete ratings like SG, SF, SE, etc. as well! Larry 01 KLR 98 GS 91 ST1100 PS I run Castrol GTX in all my bikes!

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rekib056" wrote: > Is Castrol GTX oil SG rated, and is it recommended for the KLR? Or > would it be better to go with Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil, > which is SG rated? I have a '02 KLR 650 with 7k+ miles. > -Bill > '02 KLR

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:13 am**

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "klr_rider001" wrote:

> All Castrol's GTX oils exceed the SG rating you refer to, so you

can

> freely choose from any of the following GTX products that meet your > temperature requirements (from the Castrol website): > > SAE 5W-20: is a premium, multi-grade oil, providing cold start > protection with Exceptional Fuel Economy. SAE 5W-20 exceeds API > service SL, SJ and SH, as well as exceeding ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API > Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and Ford WSS-M2C153-H. SAE 5W-20 > should only be used in vehicles where SAE 5W-20 is recommended by > manufacturer. > > SAE 5W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides maximum > cold weather engine protection and can help extend engine life. SAE > 5W-30 exceeds ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH, as well as > exceeding the requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified > Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. > > SAE 10W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides excellent > fuel economy and can help extend engine life. SAE 10W-30 exceeds > ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the > requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine > Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. > > SAE 10W-40: is a premium, super multigrade that provides maximum > protection in all seasons and can help extend engine life. SAE 10W- > 40 exceeds API service SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the

engine

> protection requirements for API Certified Gasoline Engine Oils. > > SAE 20W-50: is a premium, super multigrade that guards against wear > by providing a superior oil film strength and extreme high > temperature strength. 20W-50 exceeds API service SL, SJ and SH.

Also

> exceeds the engine protection requirements of ILSAC GF-3 for API > Certified Gasoline Engine Oils. > > FYI when you see that the ratings are exceeded, as above, it means > all the older, obsolete ratings like SG, SF, SE, etc. as well! > > Larry > > 01 KLR > 98 GS > 91 ST1100 > > PS I run Castrol GTX in all my bikes! > >

im with larry, i use casrol gtx in all my bikes, lawn and garden equip, vehicles ( except my diesel )...its good stuff. good luck with what you choose, scott

> > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "rekib056" wrote: > > Is Castrol GTX oil SG rated, and is it recommended for the KLR? > Or > > would it be better to go with Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil, > > which is SG rated? I have a '02 KLR 650 with 7k+ miles. > > -Bill > > '02 KLR

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 1:06 pm**

Naw, Just go with the BEST Mobil one 15-50 In a message dated 1/5/2004 7:54:08 PM Central Standard Time, bdmassey@... writes: << Is Castrol GTX oil SG rated, and is it recommended for the KLR? Or would it be better to go with Valvoline 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil, which is SG rated? I have a '02 KLR 650 with 7k+ miles. -Bill '02 KLR >>

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:28 pm**

On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 06:41:01AM -0000, klr_rider001 wrote:

> All Castrol's GTX oils exceed the SG rating you refer to, so you can > freely choose from any of the following GTX products that meet your > temperature requirements (from the Castrol website): > > SAE 5W-20: is a premium, multi-grade oil, providing cold start > protection with Exceptional Fuel Economy. SAE 5W-20 exceeds API > service SL, SJ and SH, as well as exceeding ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API > Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and Ford WSS-M2C153-H. SAE 5W-20 > should only be used in vehicles where SAE 5W-20 is recommended by > manufacturer. > > SAE 5W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides maximum > cold weather engine protection and can help extend engine life. SAE > 5W-30 exceeds ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH, as well as > exceeding the requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified > Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. > > SAE 10W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides excellent > fuel economy and can help extend engine life. SAE 10W-30 exceeds > ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the > requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine > Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards.

These three aren't okay, because they're Energy Conserving II oils that have friction modifiers that aren't nice to motorcycle clutches or transmissions. The heavier, non-energy-conserving weights are okay. Thor

Posted: **Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:24 pm**

I just read on-line that 'SJ' rated oil should be avoided in a motorcycle due to the friction modifier that is added because that spec requires the removal of zinc as a wear reducing agent from the oil. Well then, looks to me like all the GTX oils are suspect if that is the case, not just the lighter 5W- and 10W- weights. I doubt seriously if you run GTX in a KLR that you are going to experience clutch slippage unless it is due to a binding clutch cable or that nitrous kit you just retrofitted to it. I also hit the Mobil 1 site, and see they show a motorcycle based Mobil 1 oil that, you guessed it, conforms to 'SG' and 'SH', but not 'SJ'. So rider beware, if you run GTX and your clutch slips, stop using it, and if not, ride happy! and always, ride safe! Larry --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 06:41:01AM -0000, klr_rider001 wrote: > > All Castrol's GTX oils exceed the SG rating you refer to, so you

can

> > freely choose from any of the following GTX products that meet

your

> > temperature requirements (from the Castrol website): > > > > SAE 5W-20: is a premium, multi-grade oil, providing cold start > > protection with Exceptional Fuel Economy. SAE 5W-20 exceeds API > > service SL, SJ and SH, as well as exceeding ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for

API

> > Certified Gasoline Engine Oils and Ford WSS-M2C153-H. SAE 5W-20 > > should only be used in vehicles where SAE 5W-20 is recommended by > > manufacturer. > > > > SAE 5W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides maximum > > cold weather engine protection and can help extend engine life.

SAE

> > 5W-30 exceeds ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH, as well as > > exceeding the requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified > > Gasoline Engine Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. > > > > SAE 10W-30: is a premium, super multi-grade that provides

excellent

> > fuel economy and can help extend engine life. SAE 10W-30 exceeds > > ACEA: A1, API Service SL, SJ and SH as well as exceeding the > > requirements of ILSAC GF-3/GF-2 for API Certified Gasoline Engine > > Oils and meets Energy Conserving Standards. > > These three aren't okay, because they're Energy Conserving II oils > that have friction modifiers that aren't nice to motorcycle clutches > or transmissions. The heavier, non-energy-conserving weights are

okay.

> > Thor

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:26 am**

In a message dated 1/6/2004 7:27:17 PM Central Standard Time, tls@... writes: << The heavier, non-energy-conserving weights are okay. >> As long as you change your oil every 800 miles, Don't want that Dyno sause breaking down to bad, And remember the BEST OF BEST petroleum base oils is not as good as the worst of the worst synthetic oils....... So to sum it up the cheapest of cheap synthetic is better than the most expensive dyno juise, (petroleum base) Mike

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:50 am**

Pontius Pilate: Huhuhuhu...The little vascal has spivit! Centurion: Has what, sir? Pontius Pilate: Spivit. Centurion: Yes, he did, sir. Pontius Pilate: No, no, spivit! Sort of...bombavdo, a touch of devving-do. Centurion: Oh. Ehm...about eleven, sir. Pontius Pilate: So...you dave to suggest the oil be changed evvy 800 miles? Brian: To what, sir? Pontius Pilate: Stvike him centurion, vevy roughly! Centurion's hand against Brian's cheek: [Slap] Brian: Aih! Centurion: Oh, and, ehm...throw him to the floor, sir? Pontius Pilate: What? Centurion: Throw him to the floor again, sir? Pontius Pilate: Oh, yes. Thvow him to the floor, please. TLrydr@... wrote:

>In a message dated 1/6/2004 7:27:17 PM Central Standard Time, >tls@... writes: > >> > > As long as you change your oil every 800 miles, Don't want that Dyno sause >breaking down to bad, > And remember the BEST OF BEST petroleum base oils is not as good as the >worst of the worst synthetic oils....... >So to sum it up the cheapest of cheap synthetic is better than the most >expensive >dyno juise, (petroleum base) >Mike > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: >DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:08 pm**

I think it was funny, and the mix of English with another language, or latin, or? Can you provide the passage again in layman's terms? Mike 'dogman' T. A16 Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: Stan [mailto:sm@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:51 AM To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: castrol oil rating Pontius Pilate: Huhuhuhu...The little vascal has spivit! Centurion: Has what, sir? Pontius Pilate: Spivit. Centurion: Yes, he did, sir. Pontius Pilate: No, no, spivit! Sort of...bombavdo, a touch of devving-do. Centurion: Oh. Ehm...about eleven, sir. Pontius Pilate: So...you dave to suggest the oil be changed evvy 800 miles? Brian: To what, sir? Pontius Pilate: Stvike him centurion, vevy roughly! Centurion's hand against Brian's cheek: [Slap] Brian: Aih! Centurion: Oh, and, ehm...throw him to the floor, sir? Pontius Pilate: What? Centurion: Throw him to the floor again, sir? Pontius Pilate: Oh, yes. Thvow him to the floor, please. TLrydr@... wrote:

>In a message dated 1/6/2004 7:27:17 PM Central Standard Time, >tls@... writes: > >> > > As long as you change your oil every 800 miles, Don't want that Dyno

sause

>breaking down to bad, > And remember the BEST OF BEST petroleum base oils is not as good as the >worst of the worst synthetic oils....... >So to sum it up the cheapest of cheap synthetic is better than the most >expensive >dyno juise, (petroleum base) >Mike > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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Posted: **Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:32 pm**

Obviously not a Monty Python fan.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike T" wrote: > I think it was funny, and the mix of English with another language, or > latin, or? > > > Can you provide the passage again in layman's terms? > > > Mike 'dogman' T. > A16 > Las Vegas > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan [mailto:sm@t...] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:51 AM > To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: castrol oil rating > > Pontius Pilate: Huhuhuhu...The little vascal has spivit! > Centurion: Has what, sir? > Pontius Pilate: Spivit. > Centurion: Yes, he did, sir. > Pontius Pilate: No, no, spivit! Sort of...bombavdo, a touch > of devving-do. > Centurion: Oh. Ehm...about eleven, sir. > Pontius Pilate: So...you dave to suggest the oil be changed evvy 800 miles? > Brian: To what, sir? > Pontius Pilate: Stvike him centurion, vevy roughly! > Centurion's hand against Brian's cheek: [Slap] > Brian: Aih! > Centurion: Oh, and, ehm...throw him to the floor, sir? > Pontius Pilate: What? > Centurion: Throw him to the floor again, sir? > Pontius Pilate: Oh, yes. Thvow him to the floor, please. > > > > > > TLrydr@a... wrote: > > >In a message dated 1/6/2004 7:27:17 PM Central Standard Time, > >tls@r... writes: > > > >> > > > > As long as you change your oil every 800 miles, Don't want that Dyno > sause > >breaking down to bad, > > And remember the BEST OF BEST petroleum base oils is not as good as the > >worst of the worst synthetic oils....... > >So to sum it up the cheapest of cheap synthetic is better than the most > >expensive > >dyno juise, (petroleum base) > >Mike > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > >Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > >DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_klr650/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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