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hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:17 pm
by Killer650
I have been fighting this since I got the bike a few weeks ago, and it has beaten me into submission. Much more of this I am I going to auction this f%^&^%r on eBay. I refuse to let a stealer look at it on principal.
Bike starts perfectly while cold. Engine catches on first turn. Scary fast. Sometimes (not all the time) the engine will NOT catch after it has been sitting for a few minutes. All the wire wiggling and choking in the world doesnt help. Let it sit until it cools off, and it will catch on the first turn. Any and all ideas appreciated.
ARRRGH!
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hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:29 pm
by Devon Jarvis
So, it just won't start? It will run fine when hot, it's not cutting out, but if you shut it off you can't restart it until it cools?
If the above is true then it's likely not an ignition fault. Sounds like the choke is stuck on, or you have the carb set way too rich.
Devon
Killer650 wrote:
> I have been fighting this since I got the bike a few weeks ago, and it has beaten me into submission. Much more of this I am I going to auction this f%^&^%r on eBay. I refuse to let a stealer look at it on principal.
>
> Bike starts perfectly while cold. Engine catches on first turn. Scary fast. Sometimes (not all the time) the engine will NOT catch after it has been sitting for a few minutes. All the wire wiggling and choking in the world doesnt help. Let it sit until it cools off, and it will catch on the first turn. Any and all ideas appreciated.
>
> ARRRGH!
hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 6:35 pm
by RM
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Devon Jarvis wrote:
>If the above is true then it's likely not an ignition fault. Sounds like
>the choke is stuck on, or you have the carb set way too rich.
If the engine is kinda cranky when hot yet opening the throttle 1/4 turn
while the starter is engaged causes it to fire right up, the mixture is
probably too rich.
RM
hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:17 pm
by Killer650
Yes, Yes, Yes.
I have checked the choke, it is off. The carb. still has the factory plug on
it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Devon Jarvis"
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Hard Hot Starting? (Muther FU%$#R!!)
> So, it just won't start? It will run fine when hot, it's not cutting out,
but if you shut it off you can't restart it until it cools?
>
> If the above is true then it's likely not an ignition fault. Sounds like
the choke is stuck on, or you have the carb set way too rich.
>
> Devon
>
> Killer650 wrote:
>
> > I have been fighting this since I got the bike a few weeks ago, and it
has beaten me into submission. Much more of this I am I going to auction
this f%^&^%r on eBay. I refuse to let a stealer look at it on principal.
> >
> > Bike starts perfectly while cold. Engine catches on first turn. Scary
fast. Sometimes (not all the time) the engine will NOT catch after it has
been sitting for a few minutes. All the wire wiggling and choking in the
world doesnt help. Let it sit until it cools off, and it will catch on the
first turn. Any and all ideas appreciated.
> >
> > ARRRGH!
>
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hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:18 pm
by Killer650
The carb is still factory sealed...
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Hard Hot Starting? (Muther FU%$#R!!)
>
> On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Devon Jarvis wrote:
>
> >If the above is true then it's likely not an ignition fault. Sounds like
> >the choke is stuck on, or you have the carb set way too rich.
>
> If the engine is kinda cranky when hot yet opening the throttle 1/4 turn
> while the starter is engaged causes it to fire right up, the mixture is
> probably too rich.
>
> RM
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hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 7:42 pm
by bkowalca
I had simuliar problems when I had a fuel filter installed. If you
have one, remove it, try again.
Bryan K
A14
--- In
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Killer650"
wrote:
> I have been fighting this since I got the bike a few weeks ago,
and it has beaten me into submission. Much more of this I am I going
to auction this f%^&^%r on eBay. I refuse to let a stealer look at
it on principal.
>
> Bike starts perfectly while cold. Engine catches on first turn.
Scary fast. Sometimes (not all the time) the engine will NOT catch
after it has been sitting for a few minutes. All the wire wiggling
and choking in the world doesnt help. Let it sit until it cools off,
and it will catch on the first turn. Any and all ideas appreciated.
>
> ARRRGH!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:07 pm
by Jim
Do you mean the starter cranks but the engine won't fire.
Have you checked your valves clearances lately? My A-15 did the exact
same thing, would crank right up cold but upon restart after riding it
would take several stabs at the starter button before she would fire
up. I adjusted my valves and the intakes were pretty tight but now
that problem is gone. Just a thought.
--Jim
hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 9:12 pm
by Devon Jarvis
No, No, No.
I am not suggesting that you have left the choke on this whole time. I'm
suggesting that the choke plunger in the carburetor is stuck, and the choke is
on regardless of the lever position.
What year is it?
Devon
Killer650 wrote:
> Yes, Yes, Yes.
>
> I have checked the choke, it is off. The carb. still has the factory plug on
> it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devon Jarvis"
> To: "KLR650 group" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Hard Hot Starting? (Muther FU%$#R!!)
>
> > So, it just won't start? It will run fine when hot, it's not cutting out,
> but if you shut it off you can't restart it until it cools?
> >
> > If the above is true then it's likely not an ignition fault. Sounds like
> the choke is stuck on, or you have the carb set way too rich.
> >
> > Devon
> >
hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:21 pm
by kcuf_oohay_666
If the starter doesn't turn over when hot then it may be the silonoid
(spelling?). Don't know if the KLR has one but thats what it would be
if it was a SB Chevy. Did you check the cable to the choke. I think
there is suppose to be 2-3mm play between the cable end cap and the
choke lever seat. Could also be the plunger for the choke is stuck
open inside the carb. Or the cable is fraid inside and holding it
open. maybe the needle and seat are sticking open. How old is the
Bike? When you said it starts and runs scary fast it sounds like the
choke. I think the KLR choke lets more of both air and fuel in. If it
only let more fuel in I dont think it would run fast. So the problem
probably isnt a bad needle + seat.
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DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Killer650" wrote:
> I have been fighting this since I got the bike a few weeks ago, and
it has beaten me into submission. Much more of this I am I going to
auction this f%^&^%r on eBay. I refuse to let a stealer look at it on
principal.
>
> Bike starts perfectly while cold. Engine catches on first turn.
Scary fast. Sometimes (not all the time) the engine will NOT catch
after it has been sitting for a few minutes. All the wire wiggling
and choking in the world doesnt help. Let it sit until it cools off,
and it will catch on the first turn. Any and all ideas appreciated.
>
> ARRRGH!
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
hard hot starting? (muther fu%$#r!!)
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 10:31 pm
by Killer650
It is a 2000. I have found a loose connector going to the CDI from the
magneto pickup. Actually, the wires inside the Molex connector were loose. I
have rigged it for now as my good connectors are at work, but it seems to
have solved my problem.
I will know more tomorrow.
Thanks for the tips...
Dave
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From: "Devon Jarvis"
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Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Hard Hot Starting? (Muther FU%$#R!!)
> No, No, No.
>
> I am not suggesting that you have left the choke on this whole time. I'm
> suggesting that the choke plunger in the carburetor is stuck, and the
choke is
> on regardless of the lever position.
>
> What year is it?
>
> Devon
>
>
>
> Killer650 wrote:
>
> > Yes, Yes, Yes.
> >
> > I have checked the choke, it is off. The carb. still has the factory
plug on
> > it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Devon Jarvis"
> > To: "KLR650 group" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 6:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Hard Hot Starting? (Muther FU%$#R!!)
> >
> > > So, it just won't start? It will run fine when hot, it's not cutting
out,
> > but if you shut it off you can't restart it until it cools?
> > >
> > > If the above is true then it's likely not an ignition fault. Sounds
like
> > the choke is stuck on, or you have the carb set way too rich.
> > >
> > > Devon
> > >
>
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