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Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, my Big Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, ludicrous and Orwellian? Here is the proof: http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html Brian A16 embarrassed Oregon native [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Brian, good morning. Look on the bright side. It may prevent us from driving/riding up and Californincating the place. George Escondido, CA BKLR wrote:

>Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, my Big Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, ludicrous and Orwellian? > >Here is the proof: > >http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html > >Brian >A16 >embarrassed Oregon native > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: >DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >

George, We are wayyyy waaayyyy wayyyyy past that point

> Brian, good morning. > > Look on the bright side. It may prevent us from driving/riding up and > Californincating the place. > > George > Escondido, CA > > BKLR wrote: > > >Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, my Big

Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, ludicrous and Orwellian?

> > > >Here is the proof: > > > >http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html > > > >Brian > >A16 > >embarrassed Oregon native > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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After I read the "Preferred Scenario" I realized this is not a joke. This idea is wrong in so many ways. First of all it is just plain stupid, since the technology required to make this work is fairly expensive and would be very prone to failure, misreading and bypassing by the vehicle owner. The administrative costs and implementation costs would be huge, it might take years to recover them, and for what? I can't believe they are even considering this. It makes you think these bureaucrats don't have a clue how to make systems work. What if you live in Oregon and drive to Florida. Do you get charged $500 each way even if most of the miles are outside of Oregon? What if you ride off-road, do you get charged a road tax even if you didn't use a road? What if you drive across the border of Oregon and fill up your car, you wouldn't have to pay? Don't get me started, I can think of 50 ways why this wouldn't work. I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with another 50. Bryan K A14 - taxed to death in Canada, but not by the mile!

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "BKLR" wrote: > Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, my Big Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, ludicrous and Orwellian? > > Here is the proof: > > http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html > > Brian > A16 > embarrassed Oregon native > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Bryan K. Ahhh, the answer is the GPS. The Government knows where you are every moment of your trip-- the tax bill stops at the state line. Brian A16 embarrassed Oregon native

> After I read the "Preferred Scenario" I realized this is not a joke. > > > What if you live in Oregon and drive to Florida. Do you get charged > $500 each way even if most of the miles are outside of Oregon? What > if you ride off-road, do you get charged a road tax even if you > didn't use a road? What if you drive across the border of Oregon and > fill up your car, you wouldn't have to pay? > > Don't get me started, I can think of 50 ways why this wouldn't work. > I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with another 50. > > Bryan K > A14 - taxed to death in Canada, but not by the mile! > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "BKLR" wrote: > > Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, > my Big Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car > and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each > vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven > in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, > ludicrous and Orwellian? > > > > Here is the proof: > > > > http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html > > > > Brian > > A16 > > embarrassed Oregon native > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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The idea of every vehicle having a gps unit in them so we can be monitored is a little far fetched in my opinion. Just think of the out cry from civil rights movements etc. All they have to do is raise the cost of the gas tax by a cent or two, and voila! I know one thing, I won't be going to my favorite ranch in Nevada anymore, if my wife could find out where I've been Dave Salem Oregon

On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 11:31, BKLR wrote:

> Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, my Big Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, ludicrous and Orwellian? > > Here is the proof: > > http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html > > Brian > A16 > embarrassed Oregon native

Well, it's not entirely ridiculous. At least they're insightful enough to realize that at some point in the future they're going to see a signifcant budget shortfall from declining gas taxes (the PDF says it's now $0.24/gal, dunno if that is right). I don't agree on the solution though nor the assumption that road taxes are necessary, but those two things aside, it is remarkable. If we're looking at future of high efficiency vehicles, I would have assume several things based on our currently technology. 1) light(er) weight cars cause less wear 2) less pollution (ancillary savings) 3) opportunity to tax the alternative fuels 4) opportunity to revamp/reinstate personal vehicle taxes based on weight So there are other definite possibilities, I don't understand why these weren't considered for the study. Also, what I don't understand about most states is that they tax the living hell out of our trucking industry for the extensive wear they cause, but don't do a single fricking thing about the 8000 lb. Expeditions on the road. Doesn't California consider all pickup trucks commerical vehicles and tax them, but not SUVs? DC has a similar problem. 70%+ of the city's income is earned by commuters who pay nothing for the city's upkeep of roads, highways, use of public services, etc. They don't need to put up "Welcome to Washington, DC" signs, you can tell by the pavement change. Z DC

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote: Doesn't California consider all pickup trucks

> commerical vehicles and tax them, but not SUVs?

No. Not if you request non-commercial status. I just registered in California an out-of-state 3/4 ton pickup that I bought from a displaced Oregonian. By putting passenger car license plates on it I not only avoided having to go and get a weight certificate but also will save money every year on registration. The only downside is that I won't legally be able to park in yellow zones. Since I usually ride my mc and don't use a four-wheeled vehicle that much, I figure it's worth the savings. And if I do park in a yellow, the metermaid probably won't look at the plate, and will just see a big pickup truck.

Unfortunately, it can happen. GM and other auto makers, have been putting OnStar units on most of the new care they sell. OnStar is basically a GPS with other features. They know where you are. They know how fast your going. And they even have a microphone in the vehicle, so they can listen in. Kinda creepy, huh! Strange but true... MotorMark KLR650 A13 Warthogg XR250r superfly Stone Mountain, Ga www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark

> > Ahhh, the answer is the GPS. The Government knows where you are every > moment of your trip-- the tax bill stops at the state line. > > Brian > A16 > embarrassed Oregon native > > > After I read the "Preferred Scenario" I realized this is not a joke. > > > > > What if you live in Oregon and drive to Florida. Do you get charged > > $500 each way even if most of the miles are outside of Oregon? What > > if you ride off-road, do you get charged a road tax even if you > > didn't use a road? What if you drive across the border of Oregon and > > fill up your car, you wouldn't have to pay? > > > > Don't get me started, I can think of 50 ways why this wouldn't work. > > I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with another 50. > > > > Bryan K > > A14 - taxed to death in Canada, but not by the mile! > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "BKLR" wrote: > > > Due to declining revenues generated from gasoline and fuel taxes, > > my Big Brother State of Oregon wants tax the miles I drive my car > > and KLR. The Government wants to install a GPS system on each > > vehicle, including motorcycles, and record and tax each mile driven > > in Oregon. The tax could be 25 cents a mile. Sounds crazy, > > ludicrous and Orwellian? > > > > > > Here is the proof: > > > > > > http://www.odot.state.or.us/ruftf/index.html > > > > > > Brian > > > A16 > > > embarrassed Oregon native

NYC has this problem also, there used to be a "commuter tax", basically an NYC income tax, but it was repealed a while back. Now they want to reinstate it, but the state won't let it happen. Instead Bloomberg is talking about tolls on the east river crossings, so I would have to pay a vehicle toll AND NYC income tax. They should put tolls on the LIE instead. I wouldn't mind paying more fuel tax, or more vehicle tax at registration time. Assuming I got something for my money, like road maintainance and driver education. But after spending last night dodging wrecked motorists who were too dumb to slow down in freezing rain conditions, on roads that should have been salted that afternoon, the government can kiss my ass. Devon Zachariah Mully wrote:

> > DC has a similar problem. 70%+ of the city's income is earned by > commuters who pay nothing for the city's upkeep of roads, highways, use > of public services, etc. They don't need to put up "Welcome to > Washington, DC" signs, you can tell by the pavement change. > > Z > DC >