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nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 6:04 am
by PhantomRider3@aol.com
I learned a while back that the Snell helmet ratings that I valued so much
were actually for car impact standards and not for motorcycle. If you have a
Snell rated helmet it did pass more tests than a DOT but the testing was not
designed around 2 wheeler type impacts.
Head injuries from car racing are very different from mellon to pavement moto
related get off's.
Feel free to correct me if you know different.
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nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:46 am
by Devon Jarvis
AFAIK Snell has multiple standards for multiple helmet types. The SNELL
foundation was originally founded by the family of an auto racer, who
was killed in a minor impact because his helmet didn't protect him.
But a Snell rated cycle helmet meets its own set of tests, different
than car helmets, and whatever else Snell tests.
Snell tests for harder impacts than DOT. A DOT helmet will probably
protect you better in a lower speed accident since the liner will absorb
more force. But a Snell will protect you better from higher-energy
impacts, though it may not crush as much (and therefore transmit more
force to your head) at a low-speed impact. That's why they're popular
(and required) for racing.
I got my info from a magazine interview with the testing director of the
Snell foundation, that I read a few years ago.
Devon
A15
PhantomRider3@... wrote:
>
> I learned a while back that the Snell helmet ratings that I valued so much
> were actually for car impact standards and not for motorcycle. If you have a
> Snell rated helmet it did pass more tests than a DOT but the testing was not
> designed around 2 wheeler type impacts.
>
> Head injuries from car racing are very different from mellon to pavement moto
> related get off's.
>
> Feel free to correct me if you know different.
>
> New small joke: Did you know our country is run by a Dick, a Bush and a Colon?
>
> Cheers.
>
> Jay
> Phantomrider3@...
> Beverly, MA (about 25 miles north of Boston, on the coast)
> '85 BMW K100 RS, '72 Yamaha CT1 175, Y2K Kawasaki KLR 650
>
> Toss me an email to to purchase my KLR Valve Adjustment and Tire Change
> VIDEO. Only 19.95 (4.00 S&H), Ah bahgin (MA speak for a great deal). You
> can see stills from the actual video and all my nutty crazy mods at
>
http://2wheelerjay.tripod.com/jaysworldofinvention/
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nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 8:51 am
by Arden Kysely
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., PhantomRider3@a... wrote:
> I learned a while back that the Snell helmet ratings that I valued
so much
> were actually for car impact standards and not for motorcycle. If
you have a
> Snell rated helmet it did pass more tests than a DOT but the
testing was not
> designed around 2 wheeler type impacts.
>
> Head injuries from car racing are very different from mellon to
pavement moto
> related get off's.
>
> Feel free to correct me if you know different.
>
Jay,
Actually, there are Snell helmet standards for everything from
competitive auto racing to horseback riding, including one for
motorcycling; check out
www.smf.org. My understanding is that the
Snell motorcycling standard is biased towards impacts expected on the
race track, while the DOT standard is oriented more for the street.
If you can pick your accident, you can pick the right helmet
standard. People go around and around about helmet standards, but the
most important thing is to buy a comfortable helmet that fits
correctly and that's legal for street use (meets DOT), then wear it
religiously.
__Arden
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:29 am
by Judson D. Jones
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote:
A DOT helmet will probably
> protect you better in a lower speed accident since the liner will
absorb
> more force. But a Snell will protect you better from higher-energy
> impacts, though it may not crush as much (and therefore transmit
more
> force to your head) at a low-speed impact. That's why they're
popular
> (and required) for racing.
Yup. Whenever I crash in a DOT-only I'm back on my feet in no time,
but when I crash in a Snell, I survive, but I'm goofy for days.
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 11:30 am
by Arden Kysely
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Judson D. Jones" wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote:
> A DOT helmet will probably
> > protect you better in a lower speed accident since the liner will
> absorb
> > more force. But a Snell will protect you better from higher-energy
> > impacts, though it may not crush as much (and therefore transmit
> more
> > force to your head) at a low-speed impact. That's why they're
> popular
> > (and required) for racing.
>
>
> Yup. Whenever I crash in a DOT-only I'm back on my feet in no
time,
> but when I crash in a Snell, I survive, but I'm goofy for days.
Maybe the right Snell standard for KLR riders is the one for Mopeds
and *low powered vehicles*.
__Arden
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:26 pm
by Bogdan Swider
> buy a comfortable helmet then wear it religiously.
>
>
> __Arden
>
Does that mean you wear your helmet in church ? Are you a hard shell
Baptist ? Doesn't the Pope don a helmet quite often ? It's a bit taller
than the ones we wear.
Bogdan
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:34 pm
by Arden Kysely
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Bogdan Swider" wrote:
>
> > buy a comfortable helmet then wear it religiously.
> >
> >
> > __Arden
> >
> Does that mean you wear your helmet in church ? Are you a hard shell
> Baptist ? Doesn't the Pope don a helmet quite often ? It's a bit
taller
> than the ones we wear.
> Bogdan
Bogdan,
You're in a Friday mood on hump-day. I meant wear it like the Mormons
wear their special underwear--all the time. Then it can save your
bacon. And your butt. But mostly your head.
__Arden
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 4:37 pm
by monahanwb
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Bogdan Swider" wrote:
Doesn't the Pope don a helmet quite often ? It's a bit taller
> than the ones we wear.
Last time we took the Pope riding, he couldn't go over 55 due to that
skid lid he had on. But at a smoke break, he did manage to let us
know that from now on the priests were allowed to kiss the nuns, as
long as they didn't get into the habit.
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2002 10:03 pm
by Russell Dyck
Ya and I heard the Pope doesn't wear it off road, oops guess he
didn't see that low hanging branch.
Mormons have special underwear?
nklr - snell is more for car impacts
Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2002 6:38 am
by James L. Miller Jr.
I thought it was "Walkin 'round in womens underwear"
http://www.twistedtunes.com/show/vault/alpha.asp?Var=W
second from the top. I could be mistaken
millerized
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Russell Dyck" wrote:
> Ya and I heard the Pope doesn't wear it off road, oops guess he
> didn't see that low hanging branch.
>
> wear their special underwear--all the time.>
>
> Mormons have special underwear?