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ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:17 pm
by Judson D. Jones
A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for advice
today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and after an
exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas buyer,
who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a West
Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check was for a
substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed price. My
friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank. The buyer
subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with sadness and regret,
that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was unable to
purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his funds,
keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree to find
him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00 in his
account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell him? Would
your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in Nigeria?
True story.
ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:33 pm
by Chuck MacKarness, CQA
Odd situation.
Personally I would contact the West Virginia bank and put the
responsibility of investigation in their hands, this sounds like a
laundering to me...
2 cents -
Rev. Chuck
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Judson D. Jones" wrote:
> A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for advice
> today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and after an
> exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas buyer,
> who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a West
> Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check was
for a
> substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed price. My
> friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank. The
buyer
> subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with sadness and
regret,
> that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was unable
to
> purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his funds,
> keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree to find
> him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00 in his
> account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell him?
Would
> your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in
Nigeria?
>
> True story.
ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:34 pm
by Robert Diaz
Is this for real? We just had a thread on this not
too long ago. Sounds like the "Counterfeit Cashier
Check" scam that is popular in Africa, or so I've
heard. Good luck to your friend!
--- "Judson D. Jones" wrote:
> A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called
> me for advice
> today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet,
> and after an
> exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an
> overseas buyer,
> who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn
> on a West
> Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear,
> the check was for a
> substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the
> agreed price. My
> friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in
> his bank. The buyer
> subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with
> sadness and regret,
> that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away,
> he was unable to
> purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please
> return his funds,
> keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer
> would agree to find
> him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with
> $9600.00 in his
> account, my friend called me for advice. What should
> I tell him? Would
> your advice be different if I told you that the
> buyer was in Nigeria?
>
> True story.
>
>
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ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:47 pm
by Devon Jarvis
Just a week or so ago, a whole thread came up about Nigerian scam
artists and the "certified" bank check scheme.
The check is probably a forgery, the "buyer" is hoping that your friend
will immediately send the money because he deposited a "certified"
check, and it will take a while for the banks to sort out the forgery
and call the police. At which point your buddy will be PLUS one fraud
investigation, and MINUS a lot of money.
He should go to his bank and tell the branch manager he is suspicious of
the "certified" check. Then tell the "buyer" that his bank has raised
questions about the check, but he will send the money as soon as the
matter is cleared up.
$1000 for your "trouble"?
Devon
"Judson D. Jones" wrote:
>
> A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for advice
> today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and after an
> exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas buyer,
> who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a West
> Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check was for a
> substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed price. My
> friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank. The buyer
> subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with sadness and regret,
> that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was unable to
> purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his funds,
> keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree to find
> him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00 in his
> account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell him? Would
> your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in Nigeria?
>
> True story.
>
ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 1:59 pm
by Judson D. Jones
Exactamundo. We just had this thread, and now my buddy thinks I am one
tuned-in fraud lawyer. Thanks to the list, my friend in Wisconsin has
been spared a whole pile of inconvenience. My mother thanks you, my
father thanks you...
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote:
> Just a week or so ago, a whole thread came up about Nigerian scam
> artists and the "certified" bank check scheme.
>
> The check is probably a forgery, the "buyer" is hoping that your
friend
> will immediately send the money because he deposited a "certified"
> check, and it will take a while for the banks to sort out the
forgery
> and call the police. At which point your buddy will be PLUS one
fraud
> investigation, and MINUS a lot of money.
>
> He should go to his bank and tell the branch manager he is
suspicious of
> the "certified" check. Then tell the "buyer" that his bank has
raised
> questions about the check, but he will send the money as soon as the
> matter is cleared up.
>
> $1000 for your "trouble"?
>
> Devon
>
> "Judson D. Jones" wrote:
> >
> > A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for advice
> > today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and after an
> > exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas
buyer,
> > who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a West
> > Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check was
for a
> > substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed price. My
> > friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank. The
buyer
> > subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with sadness and
regret,
> > that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was unable
to
> > purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his funds,
> > keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree to
find
> > him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00 in
his
> > account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell him?
Would
> > your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in
Nigeria?
> >
> > True story.
> >
ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 2:02 pm
by PRBKLR@cs.com
Sounds like a money laundering scheme
"Judson D. Jones" wrote:
>A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for advice
>today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and after an
>exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas buyer,
>who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a West
>Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check was for a
>substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed price. My
>friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank. The buyer
>subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with sadness and regret,
>that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was unable to
>purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his funds,
>keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree to find
>him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00 in his
>account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell him? Would
>your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in Nigeria?
>
>True story.
>
>
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ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 2:07 pm
by KJ
FOR SALE. KLR650 2000. some extras, Never Dropped, Never Offroad,
$40,000 prefer offshore buyer.
> Sounds like a money laundering scheme
>
>
ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 2:31 pm
by S. B. Lawrence
The other's are RIGHT. He should not send a dime until he has
verified with that West Virginia bank (assuming it exists) that the
check was authentic and actually did clear their bank! Pretty good
chance the whole thing is a scam.
If it did clear there is no ethical delimma. Ship him the bike only
keeping what was agreed to, it belongs to him now, and a deal's a
deal. IF the check was *real* then the guy is obviously "able" to
purchase it not "unable" to purchase it, and just wants to renig on
the deal for whatever reason by using some IAL bogus sob story.
Sorry if some people think I'm a hardass but as the TV judge sez "I
was born in the morning but not THIS morning."
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Judson D. Jones" wrote:
> A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for advice
> today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and after an
> exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas buyer,
> who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a West
> Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check was
for a
> substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed price. My
> friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank. The
buyer
> subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with sadness and
regret,
> that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was unable
to
> purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his funds,
> keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree to find
> him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00 in his
> account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell him?
Would
> your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in
Nigeria?
>
> True story.
ethical dilemma - nklr
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 4:09 pm
by Judson D. Jones
Well, here's the dilemma: knowing it is a scam, should he just
keep the money on the chance that the bank will somehow miss
it? (obviously, if the check by some miracle is not bogus, he
should send the bike.)
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "S. B. Lawrence" wrote:
> The other's are RIGHT. He should not send a dime until he
has
> verified with that West Virginia bank (assuming it exists) that
the
> check was authentic and actually did clear their bank! Pretty
good
> chance the whole thing is a scam.
>
> If it did clear there is no ethical delimma. Ship him the bike
only
> keeping what was agreed to, it belongs to him now, and a
deal's a
> deal. IF the check was *real* then the guy is obviously "able" to
> purchase it not "unable" to purchase it, and just wants to renig
on
> the deal for whatever reason by using some IAL bogus sob
story.
>
> Sorry if some people think I'm a hardass but as the TV judge
sez "I
> was born in the morning but not THIS morning."

>
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Judson D. Jones"
wrote:
> > A trail riding buddy from a neighboring state called me for
advice
> > today. He had advertised his 1100GS on the internet, and
after an
> > exchange of correspondence, agreed to sell it to an overseas
buyer,
> > who arranged to pay him with a cashier's check drawn on a
West
> > Virginia bank. For reasons that are not yet clear, the check
was
> for a
> > substantial amount ($1000.00 or so) more than the agreed
price. My
> > friend cashed the check and deposited the funds in his bank.
The
> buyer
> > subsequently emailed my friend, informing him with
sadness and
> regret,
> > that since his (the buyer's) father had passed away, he was
unable
> to
> > purchase the motorcycle. Would my friend please return his
funds,
> > keeping $1000.00 for his trouble, and the buyer would agree
to find
> > him a new buyer. Upset at losing the sale, bit with $9600.00
in his
> > account, my friend called me for advice. What should I tell
him?
> Would
> > your advice be different if I told you that the buyer was in
> Nigeria?
> >
> > True story.
salvage on a 97
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:47 pm
by Douglas Dick
Is that the KLR650 that almost conquered the Alcan 5000? In that case, the
bike is priceless because of its historical value.

Douglas Dick
Winnipeg, MB CA
mailto:ddick2@...
And in Your majesty ride prosperously because of truth, humilty, and
righteousness. Psalm 45.3
-----Original Message-----
From: Zachariah Mully [mailto:zmully@...]
Sent: November 8, 2002 1:16 PM
To: guymanbro
Cc: KLR List
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] salvage on a 97
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 13:46, guymanbro wrote:
> The insurance company totalled my bike (i can re-build it!!). Any
> idea what a fair deal on salvage is? They want about $500 for it
> which isn't bad but it ain't as good as some other people have gotten.
>
> It's a 97 with almost 20K miles on the odo.
>
> Going to settle with Progressive tomorrow so load me up with ammo!!
>
> dat brooklyn bum (one gets stolen, one gets totalled...and I'm not
> even Irish!!!)
$185 for my A5 (1991). I got a KLR (A2) for a case of beer (missing
wheels and speedo). Dunno if progressive cares, considering how f'ing
expensive they are here in DC.
Z
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