Wilsons Sandbox

Dammit, here we go again!!! Hey I run Mobil 1, 15x50 in mine, cause it's the best oil anyone can use in the KLR. If any other lister tells you different, don't listen, it's a trap. This list has Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Machinists..but what the hell do they know. TK

----- Original Message ----- From: "bkowalca" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Another Oil Question > It seems I am having a hard time finding synthetic oil in 10W-40 > weight. The bike dealers have it in stock at crazy prices but Wally > World only has 5W-30 and 15W-50 on the shelf. If I mix the two would > I get 10W-40? > > Bryan K > A14 > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

The KLR manual specifies 20W50 oil, NOT 10W40. Yes, sure it will work. But why do this when Costco sells Mobil DelVac 1300 15W40 for $20.99 per case, that's $5.25/gallon. The next thing I would use, if I can get a good case price on is Castrol GTX20W50. In the winter I put 5 ounces or so of Marvel Mystery Oil, since the 20W50 looks like honey below 20F. Especially if you live in a warm climate, go for the thick stuff. Devon bkowalca wrote:

> > It seems I am having a hard time finding synthetic oil in 10W-40 > weight. The bike dealers have it in stock at crazy prices but Wally > World only has 5W-30 and 15W-50 on the shelf. If I mix the two would > I get 10W-40? > > Bryan K > A14 >

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote:

> The KLR manual specifies 20W50 oil, NOT 10W40. Yes, sure it will

work.

>

Page 1-4 of Kawasaki KLR650/KLR600 Service Manual Supplement: Engine oil: Grade SE or SF class Viscosity SAE10W40, 10W50, 20W40, or 20W50 Capacity 2.5L Don Detloff Fair Haven, MI, USA '00 KLR650 Mobil-1 10W40 '00 Triumph Sprint RS Mobil-1 15W50 '64 Yamaha Trail 80 (Ret.) no fluids

At 9:52 AM -0400 8/12/2002, Devon Jarvis wrote:

>The KLR manual specifies 20W50 oil, NOT 10W40. >Especially if you live in a warm climate, go for the thick stuff.

Have any of you noticed that 20W50 is disappearing from store shelves? The Walmart in my area must have cut their stock of 20W50 by 3/4 by brand. Some smaller places don't even carry it. Is this an EPA thing or a demand thing? The guy at JiffyLube put 5W30 in my wife's car in these 90F temps we've been experiencing. I question the rationale of decreasing engine protection in order to increase fuel economy by three miles per gal. Mark B2 A2 A3

Here we go, let's get the oil sh*tstorm going full blast! My first observation is that thick oil protects well at high temps. Thin oil (not going on the filter bypass at startup as easily) protects better at startup and lower temps. Modern autos have very efficient water cooling, and don't get all that hot anyway. The '94 Olds I drive occasionally gets over 20mpg, and even in 100deg heat with the AC on, has never gotten over 210F. 3mpg over 100,000mi adds up to a sizeable amount of oil. Once you consider the money, chemicals, and pollution spent in the extraction, refining, and transportation of that oil the economy becomes even greater. Let's say for argument's sake there are 300,000 cars on the road in the US on a daily basis. Again for arguement's sake they drive an average of 100mi per day (commuting, trip to the store for milk, kids to soccer, etc...). That's 30 million miles driven per day. At 20mpg, that's 1,500,000 gallons of gasoline per day. At 23mpg, that's 1,304,378 gallons. 195,622 gallons of gasoline per day. I'm sure my numbers are absurdly conservative anyway. Anyone have thoughts or corrections? Devon Tengai650 wrote:

> > At 9:52 AM -0400 8/12/2002, Devon Jarvis wrote: > >The KLR manual specifies 20W50 oil, NOT 10W40. > >Especially if you live in a warm climate, go for the thick stuff. > > Have any of you noticed that 20W50 is disappearing from store > shelves? The Walmart in my area must have cut their stock of 20W50 by > 3/4 by brand. Some smaller places don't even carry it. > Is this an EPA thing or a demand thing? > The guy at JiffyLube put 5W30 in my wife's car in these 90F temps > we've been experiencing. I question the rationale of decreasing > engine protection in order to increase fuel economy by three miles > per gal. > Mark > B2 > A2 > A3 >

> Have any of you noticed that 20W50 is disappearing from store > shelves? The Walmart in my area must have cut their stock of 20W50

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> 3/4 by brand. Some smaller places don't even carry it. > Is this an EPA thing or a demand thing? > The guy at JiffyLube put 5W30 in my wife's car in these 90F temps > we've been experiencing. I question the rationale of decreasing > engine protection in order to increase fuel economy by three miles > per gal. > Mark > B2 > A2 > A3

Mark, If your wife's car runs significantly hotter at 90 degrees ambient air temp than it does at 80 or 70 you've got bigger problems than oil weight. I'd say, "thanks for the mileage" and be done with it. __Arden

> > It seems I am having a hard time finding synthetic oil in 10W-40 > > weight. The bike dealers have it in stock at crazy prices but

Wally

> > World only has 5W-30 and 15W-50 on the shelf. If I mix the two

would

> > I get 10W-40? > >

Do not use any of the oils with the API energy conservation designation,they contain friction modifiers that are bad news for the clutch and the starter. These are the lighter weight oils 5w30,10w30 etc. Roy Cope

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Devon Jarvis wrote:

> Here we go, let's get the oil sh*tstorm going full blast! > > > Anyone have thoughts or corrections? > > Devon >

Yes, I have a correction. This thread started with a question about recommended oil weights. You stated that Kawasaki DOES NOT recommend 10W40. As I stated in a reply: Page 1-4 of Kawasaki KLR650/KLR600 Service Manual Supplement: Engine oil: Grade SE or SF class Viscosity SAE 10W40, 10W50, 20W40, or 20W50 Capacity 2.5L As you might see ... 10W40 is one of the recommended viscositys. When you offer advice to someone else, make sure your FACTS are correct ... not just your preference. Don Detloff Fair Haven, MI, USA