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[jett@rimrockconsulting.com]

I've been following this debate on the reliability issue. I've checked the recent Rider Power magazine special issue. I know it's far from scientifically conclusive, but I consider it better than nothing. Here's a summary of the reliability issues for the Suzuki's TL-1000R - rated 41 overall (not just reliability) out of 110 bikes rated. 3 dots out of 5 for reliability (5=best). Commentary: "Last year's most fault-prone new bike gains three blobs for reliability. But three's still a high number of owners reporting trouble (81%). Electrics, bodywork and clutch were the most common problem areas." TL-1000S - rated 52 overall (not just reliability) out of 110 bikes rated - Won Best Gearbox designation. 2 dots out of 5 for reliability (5=best). Commentary: "Enormous fun to ride -- that's why a higher than average number of owners say they would buy another despite reports of cracking frames. "The TL-S has the best-rated gearbox in the survey and the seventh-best engine performance. Owners don't rate reliability, 76% have had some sort of problem. Corrosion and clutch were the top of the headache list with the gearbox and electrics next and then the controversial rear suspension and its unsuccesful rotary damper." Incidentally, the KLR650 was not rated; it was in the bikes-we-didn't- rate section. Commentary was "Long-running, continually changing trail bike. Not many about, most are in big cities. Few see off-road use, all that development makes for good reliability." Jett

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., k650dsn@a... wrote: > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., TLrydr@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 10/9/01 10:46:56 AM EST, bSwider@c... > > writes: > > > > press > > > loves it and the Cagiva saw fit to put it in their bikes. Why > would > > > that be? > > > > > > Gino >> > > One word Harley > > That's lame. I'll take my chances on the Suzuk. > > Gino

[Bogdan Swider]

> I've > checked the recent Rider Power magazine special issue. I know it's > far from scientifically conclusive, but I consider it better than > nothing. > > > Incidentally, the KLR650 was not rated; it was in the bikes-we-didn't- > rate section. Commentary was "Long-running, continually changing > trail bike. Not many about, most are in big cities. Few see off-road > use, all that development makes for good reliability." > > Jett >

The klr evaluation better than nothing ? Kinda like, if somebody lies it's better than if he didn't say anything at all. Moto mags, moto rags Bogdan

[k650dsn@aol.com]

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Bogdan Swider wrote:

> > > I've > > checked the recent Rider Power magazine special issue. I know it's > > far from scientifically conclusive, but I consider it better than > > nothing. > > > > > > Incidentally, the KLR650 was not rated; it was in the

bikes-we-didn't-

> > rate section. Commentary was "Long-running, continually changing > > trail bike. Not many about, most are in big cities. Few see

off-road

> > use, all that development makes for good reliability." > > > > Jett > > > The klr evaluation better than nothing ? Kinda like, if somebody

lies it's

> better than if he didn't say anything at all. > > Moto mags, moto rags > > Bogdan

Interesting. A miniscule blurb in Rider and the KLR is great. But that same rag writes good about the TL and all of sudden, that magazine and its testers don't know what they are talking about. Can you say hypocrite? Gino just an observation

[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

The DSN back issues CD-ROM is a superb source of information and very inexpensive for the amount of information you receive. Five stars rating out of a possible five stars. -- Marc, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA ----Original Message-----

>From: Devon Jarvis >To: KLR650 group DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> >Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] DSN issues >Date: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 12:46 > >I've been writing back and forth with the new publisher, who apologized >profusely for the delays. As it was explained to me, they have kept >track of who subscribed when, and you will get the same number of issues >you paid for under your subscription. Your subscription will simply be >extended the same length as the delay.The back issues not on the CD will >be made available for purchase at some point in the future, hopefully >soon (these contain the interview with Eldon among other things). > >As a freelance magazine photographer who is married to a magazine photo >editor, I appreciate the difficulties that a smaller publication faces >and I have no hard feelings about this myself. I plan to buy any back >issues on CD when they become available. > >Devon >A15 > >tcgrigg@... wrote: >> >> What is the frequency of DSN publications? I laid down my 24 bills >> early last winter, recieved a Feb and April 2001 issue, and have seen >> nothing since. Are issues random and intermittent or have I fallen >> thru the cracks? >>

[Bogdan Swider]

> > > Incidentally, the KLR650 was not rated; it was in the > bikes-we-didn't- > > > rate section. Commentary was "Long-running, continually changing > > > trail bike. Not many about, most are in big cities. Few see > off-road > > > use, all that development makes for good reliability." > > > > > > Jett > > > > > The klr evaluation better than nothing ? Kinda like, if somebody > lies it's > > better than if he didn't say anything at all. > > > > Moto mags, moto rags > > > > Bogdan > > Interesting. A miniscule blurb in Rider and the KLR is great. But > that same rag writes good about the TL and all of sudden, that > magazine and its testers don't know what they are talking about. Can > you say hypocrite? > > Gino just an observation >

I'm confused. Did we read the same thing ? Did I understand what I just read ? Did I miss a joke ? "Continually changing trail bike" ? ? One year of change since 87; that's continually changing ? "Few see off road." Say what ?? " all that development makes for reliability" ? ? My point was that these guys plainly don't know what they're talkin about when writing about a bike ( klr 650 ) I know something about. Why should I trust them as to a ride ( TL ) I'm unfamiliar with first hand. Bogdan

[jett@rimrockconsulting.com]

Oops; I didn't make this clear. This was from Ride magazine's Rider Power issue. Ride is one of the British magazines, so it only represents a survey of British riders.

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., k650dsn@a... wrote: > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > > I've > > > checked the recent Rider Power magazine special issue. I know it's > > > far from scientifically conclusive, but I consider it better than