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nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:24 pm
by steve pye
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Tullis
To:
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:17 PM
> I was riding home at dusk after a heavy rain. At a tricky intersection, a
> minivan ignored a yield sign, causing me to have to brake hard to avoid >
a possible side swipe collision situation, or go off the shoulder into the >
weeds. I hit the rear brake hard and went into a skid. [I'm glad I didn't
> touch the front brake--a painful lesson already learned long ago.]. The >
bike skidded straight and controllably and I narrowly missed colliding
> with the oblivious minivan.
>
>Mark T., Provo Utah A12
Hey Mark,
Just curious, why not use the front brake?
I was led to believe the front brake provides two-thirds of a motorcycles
stopping ability, why not take advantage of that in a hard braking
situation?
Steve
A11
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 2:44 pm
by rob
I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your brakes for
the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in some conditions
you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back together ( in
varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than just the
back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him.
Ride paranoid. - Rob
Steve Pye wrote:
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:16 pm
by squidwannabe@hotmail.com
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote:
> I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your
brakes for
> the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in
some conditions
> you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back
together ( in
> varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than
just the
> back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him.
>
> Ride paranoid. - Rob
>
> Steve Pye wrote:
" I believe him. "
I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads.
In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire
skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes
for the situation"
I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so
wrong.
If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic
stop, you are looking for trouble.
Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your
breath you are also looking for trouble.
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:21 pm
by MWeaver@niku.com
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote:
> > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate
your
> brakes for
> > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in
> some conditions
> > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back
> together ( in
> > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better
than
> just the
> > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe
him.
using only the back brake is pretty stupid. there are very few
situations where NO front brake is a good thing if you want to slow
down quickly. of course there are LOTS of situations where too much
front brake is disastrous. it seems that not everyone has the
reactions or skill or whatever to avoid locking up the front brake.
mw
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:27 pm
by Zachariah Mully
> I was riding home at dusk after a heavy rain. At a tricky
intersection, a
> minivan ignored a yield sign, causing me to have to brake hard to
avoid >
a possible side swipe collision situation, or go off the shoulder into
the >
weeds. I hit the rear brake hard and went into a skid. [I'm glad I
didn't
> touch the front brake--a painful lesson already learned long ago.].
The >
bike skidded straight and controllably and I narrowly missed colliding
> with the oblivious minivan.
>
>Mark T., Provo Utah A12
I haven't been on my KLR for awhile, but when I ride my Concours, I
almost never use the rear brake. Why? Because it doesn't do anything and
locks up like no ones business. As soon as you start to brake you and
your bikes weight transfers to the front of the bike, unweighting your
rear brake and minimizing it's effectiveness as it now has even less
weight over the rear wheel to generate friction between the tire and
road which is necessary to stop.
I think someone said it, modulation of the front brake is your best
friend, learn how to do it. The only place I would relie on my rear
brake to do anything of use is off-road.
------------------
Zack
Banana Republic of Washington, DC
KLR650A5 "Buster" | KLR650A2 | ZG1000A1 | KZ440A2 | KX125G1 | 1966 Vespa
125
COG #4664
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:48 pm
by atomic
hey all:
i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for max
braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary.
-rob
-----Original Message-----
From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM
To:
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake???
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote:
> I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your
brakes for
> the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in
some conditions
> you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back
together ( in
> varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than
just the
> back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him.
>
> Ride paranoid. - Rob
>
> Steve Pye wrote:
" I believe him. "
I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads.
In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire
skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes
for the situation"
I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so
wrong.
If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic
stop, you are looking for trouble.
Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your
breath you are also looking for trouble.
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nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:53 pm
by squidwannabe@hotmail.com
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "atomic" wrote:
> hey all:
>
> i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes
for max
> braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary.
>
> -rob
>
>
You are right. It's easier to modulate one brake though. A lot of new
racers use only the front and then worry about the rear.
Just my 0.02 cents.
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 3:59 pm
by brettonwolfgang@hotmail.com
--- In DSN_klr650@y..., squidwannabe@h... wrote:
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., "atomic" wrote:
> > hey all:
> >
> > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH
brakes
> for max
> > braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary.
> >
> > -rob
> >
> >
>
> You are right. It's easier to modulate one brake though. A lot of
new
> racers use only the front and then worry about the rear.
>
> Just my 0.02 cents.
You guys mean to tell me my KLR has a back break!!!!????
nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 4:10 pm
by rob
I can't believe that you can't believe what I believe is somewhat
believable!!!!!!
Unbelievable!!
atomic wrote:
> hey all:
>
> i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for max
> braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary.
>
> -rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM
> To:
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake???
>
> --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote:
> > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your
> brakes for
> > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in
> some conditions
> > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back
> together ( in
> > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than
> just the
> > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him.
> >
> > Ride paranoid. - Rob
> >
> > Steve Pye wrote:
>
> " I believe him. "
>
> I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads.
> In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire
> skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes
> for the situation"
>
> I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so
> wrong.
> If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic
> stop, you are looking for trouble.
> Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your
> breath you are also looking for trouble.
>
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nklr don't use front brake???
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 5:03 pm
by gtx
here here
the front brake like someone said earlier is the main brake to hit to shed
speed, upon application you're front suspension compresses and with that
weight transferal you're front tyre has more grip.
The trick is cadence braking, which means pumping the front brake and
simulating ABS,ie as soon as the front wheel locks' momentarily ease off the
front brake then quickly reapply.
I have done this driving and riding and found it to be very effective in
adverse conditions
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob"
Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake???
> I can't believe that you can't believe what I believe is somewhat
> believable!!!!!!
>
> Unbelievable!!
>
> atomic wrote:
>
> > hey all:
> >
> > i can't believe i'm hearing all this nonsense. you use BOTH brakes for
max
> > braking power, and modulate/vary the pressure as necessary.
> >
> > -rob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: squidwannabe@... [mailto:squidwannabe@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:16 PM
> > To:
DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Don't use front brake???
> >
> > --- In DSN_klr650@y..., Rob wrote:
> > > I guess the trick is, if you use the front brake, to modulate your
> > brakes for
> > > the situation. I know from a lot of mountain bike racing that in
> > some conditions
> > > you don't touch the front brake. In others, the front and back
> > together ( in
> > > varying proportions and not always static) can work way better than
> > just the
> > > back brake. If Mark says he could only use the back, I believe him.
> > >
> > > Ride paranoid. - Rob
> > >
> > > Steve Pye wrote:
> >
> > " I believe him. "
> >
> > I don't. You'd be surprised how much grip you can get on wet roads.
> > In my experience I can use the front brakes until the front tire
> > skids, let off and It'll be fine. As stated "to modulate your brakes
> > for the situation"
> >
> > I'm not trying to be rude but using only the rear brake is OH so
> > wrong.
> > If you use the rear brake only on the street, especially in a panic
> > stop, you are looking for trouble.
> > Also, If you are just grabbing a fist ful of brake and holding your
> > breath you are also looking for trouble.
> >
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