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A new Dual Star stand should ship with replacement hardware. This hardware could be purchased separately from Dual Star. I have had the 5-star stand many, many years ago and the hardware that shipped with these sheared off one day as I pulled the bike onto the centerstand. Watchout for crappy hardware and hardware that rusts. I have had both.... The Dual Star hardware is top self. Jim Barthell

On Mon, 18 June 2001, michiganmosers@... wrote: > > This has been covered before, but it will be of help to new readers. > I just installed a Dual Star Centerstand and Moose Bash Plate. I > found that I needed the following: 1) cut 1.25" off the rear of the > Moose plate with a hacksaw. 2) Replace the four foot peg bolts with > longer ones. These are Metric M8 bolts - stock is appx. 22 mm long, > I used 1" long (25 mm) replacements. I got socket head (allen > wrench) steel screws at Home Depot for $3 total. I found that the > stock screws were stripping/cross threading as only the first one or > two threads were catching due to the extra thickness of the stand. > Replacement bolts are also stronger and harder steel - good for load > bearing support of the stand and proper torquing. 3) Prior to > installing, I partially "unfolded" the stand legs and wedged a thick > washer in the hinge area. This helped keep the stand sprung enough > so that the rear rubber "bumper" did not hit the bike's suspension > pivot. If I didn't do this then it was very difficult to position > the stand over the foot peg holes without applying a lot of > pressure. One final hint: when installing the stand first attach one > bolt on one side loosely WITHOUT the foot peg. This will keep the > stand supported while you bolt on the other side with the foot peg. > I got a used stand and did not have benefit of the factory > instructions, etc., so some of this may be redundant, but I see a lot > of used stands being bought and sold so if it helps, good!

I have the Sagebrush Machine bolts for the Five Star center stands which are hardened bolts and will be much stronger than the standard bolts. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Jim@... To: michiganmosers@... Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Tips: Dual Star centerstand and Moose Bash Plate Installation Tips A new Dual Star stand should ship with replacement hardware. This hardware could be purchased separately from Dual Star. I have had the 5-star stand many, many years ago and the hardware that shipped with these sheared off one day as I pulled the bike onto the centerstand. Watchout for crappy hardware and hardware that rusts. I have had both.... The Dual Star hardware is top self. Jim Barthell On Mon, 18 June 2001, michiganmosers@... wrote: > > This has been covered before, but it will be of help to new readers. > I just installed a Dual Star Centerstand and Moose Bash Plate. I > found that I needed the following: 1) cut 1.25" off the rear of the > Moose plate with a hacksaw. 2) Replace the four foot peg bolts with > longer ones. These are Metric M8 bolts - stock is appx. 22 mm long, > I used 1" long (25 mm) replacements. I got socket head (allen > wrench) steel screws at Home Depot for $3 total. I found that the > stock screws were stripping/cross threading as only the first one or > two threads were catching due to the extra thickness of the stand. > Replacement bolts are also stronger and harder steel - good for load > bearing support of the stand and proper torquing. 3) Prior to > installing, I partially "unfolded" the stand legs and wedged a thick > washer in the hinge area. This helped keep the stand sprung enough > so that the rear rubber "bumper" did not hit the bike's suspension > pivot. If I didn't do this then it was very difficult to position > the stand over the foot peg holes without applying a lot of > pressure. One final hint: when installing the stand first attach one > bolt on one side loosely WITHOUT the foot peg. This will keep the > stand supported while you bolt on the other side with the foot peg. > I got a used stand and did not have benefit of the factory > instructions, etc., so some of this may be redundant, but I see a lot > of used stands being bought and sold so if it helps, good! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ok, here I go.....first question since becoming a member and probably not the brightest crayon in the box Q1: What is the stand for? and what would the Moose Bash Plate and Stand retail for? Shane Hood (214) 849-1807 -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink [mailto:moabmc@...] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:27 PM To: michiganmosers@...; Jim@... Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Tips: Dual Star centerstand and Moose Bash Plate Installation Tips I have the Sagebrush Machine bolts for the Five Star center stands which are hardened bolts and will be much stronger than the standard bolts. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Jim@... To: michiganmosers@... Cc: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Tips: Dual Star centerstand and Moose Bash Plate Installation Tips A new Dual Star stand should ship with replacement hardware. This hardware could be purchased separately from Dual Star. I have had the 5-star stand many, many years ago and the hardware that shipped with these sheared off one day as I pulled the bike onto the centerstand. Watchout for crappy hardware and hardware that rusts. I have had both.... The Dual Star hardware is top self. Jim Barthell On Mon, 18 June 2001, michiganmosers@... wrote: > > This has been covered before, but it will be of help to new readers. > I just installed a Dual Star Centerstand and Moose Bash Plate. I > found that I needed the following: 1) cut 1.25" off the rear of the > Moose plate with a hacksaw. 2) Replace the four foot peg bolts with > longer ones. These are Metric M8 bolts - stock is appx. 22 mm long, > I used 1" long (25 mm) replacements. I got socket head (allen > wrench) steel screws at Home Depot for $3 total. I found that the > stock screws were stripping/cross threading as only the first one or > two threads were catching due to the extra thickness of the stand. > Replacement bolts are also stronger and harder steel - good for load > bearing support of the stand and proper torquing. 3) Prior to > installing, I partially "unfolded" the stand legs and wedged a thick > washer in the hinge area. This helped keep the stand sprung enough > so that the rear rubber "bumper" did not hit the bike's suspension > pivot. If I didn't do this then it was very difficult to position > the stand over the foot peg holes without applying a lot of > pressure. One final hint: when installing the stand first attach one > bolt on one side loosely WITHOUT the foot peg. This will keep the > stand supported while you bolt on the other side with the foot peg. > I got a used stand and did not have benefit of the factory > instructions, etc., so some of this may be redundant, but I see a lot > of used stands being bought and sold so if it helps, good! Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com Support Dual Sport News by subscribing at: http://www.dualsportnews.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

At one time the Sagebrush bolts were cut down from longer bolts exposing a cut end that rusted. Has this been fixed? Jim Barthell

On Mon, 18 June 2001, "Fred Hink" wrote: > >I have the Sagebrush > Machine bolts for the Five Star center stands which are hardened bolts and will > be much stronger than the standard bolts.

Time's running out to enter the 5th annual Devil's Creek dual sport weekend put on the the WDSRC! This event has been a crowd pleaser every year with something for everyone. Attendance has been growing every year, and heck, folks have been coming from Georgia, and North and South Carolina to ride this one! You have to pre-enter to ride, though! Saturday is an easy scavenger hunt ride on local paved and dirt roads, followed by prizes and dinner (included!), and a trip to the local MX track to watch the races, and then followed up with a night ride back to the campground! Saturday is a great time to include the better half in your fun. It's a great day for two-up riders, big, street oriented bikes, novices, and those that just like to ride! Come ride the Florida countryside with your sweetie. Afterall, that's the one you need to impress as to how much fun this is just so you can get a new bike next year! We make it easier for ya! Sunday is the challenging dirt oriented dual sport ride, encompassing 140+ miles of everything Florida can throw at you, except hills and mountains. It includes stretches of pavement, old, broken pavement, grass coverd trails, sand, hard, solid dirt trails, mud, water, downed trees, and as much fun as you can have! Then you have lunch and do it again on a whole different batch of trails until you return to the campground! Bail-outs are planned into the route after lunch, so if you feel you've had enough fun, or need to get home to momma, you can go ahead and skedaddle! Great for mid sized and smaller dual sports (XRL650, DR350, XT225) and converted off-road machines(WR400, XR400). KLR650 riders will have a MAJOR handful, (none have EVER finished a Sunday Creek Ride) and larger bikes better not even try it. You better have a serious street legal knobbies and ride smartly for this one, cause no one's gonna haul your sorry, stuck, broken bike outa these woods but YOU! WDSRC believes strongly that sound is a major issue in all land use conflicts, so we INSIST that your bike pass a 92dBa at 20" sound test. We've been doing it for the past three years with great success and an ever increasing rider count, and people have been adapting and meeting the standard, so no one whine about it, cause we can't here ya over your loud bike anyway! Your bike also needs to be legal. (Yes, you CAN make an off-road bike converted, titled and tagged!) Tag, lights, mirrors,etc, legal. Not pretend- really legal like you're riding an enduro, but honest-to-goodness-legal since we use Florida highways and roads subject to all highway traffic laws of the state of Florida. (including getting ticketed for excessive speed and having an illegal bike impounded.) And the trails we use are only open to street legal vehicles. Imagine that. When you see what we ride you'll say: "THIS is a ROAD?" We also prohibit any race numbers on the bikes that participate. So if'in you put some numbers on your bike to look like Johnny Dirt Racer, take 'em off. If non-riders see racing numbers on a bike with a high front fender, and a rider dressed up in bright, swirling colors like a Star Wars action figure, whatta they think? Yer right! A dirt bike, and they're not allowed to be on the roads or in the forest! Just what we need. Another weenie working against all the positive aspects of the sport and all the positive P.R. that the WDSRC has done with all the forestry services in the past five years. So if you have a loud pipe, an illegal bike AND race numbers, you've got some work ahead of ya.... We've insisted on these rules for the past three years, and have achieved great results with the folks in the forest service who we work with to get a permit to allow all you riders to have a blast. And guess what? Everybody with a loud bike gets a pipe that's quieter, numbers come off, converted off-road bikes have been getting legal and everyone gets compliant just so they can ride the Creek! Don't just talk about being a responsible motorcyclist, BE ONE! This is a killer two days of fun you're sure to enjoy....and everyone that enters recieves a t-shirt, lunch each day, and the folks that sign-up for saturday even get dinner and admmission to watch motocross racers on the track where Tim Ferry started his climb! Whatta baagin! Visit the Devil's Creek Website at http://www.geocities.com/mrktm/creekflyer.html Download a pre-registration form and send in your money to reserve your spot and come on out to the BEST dual sport event in Florida. The WDSRC is an organization of over 400 dual sport riders from throughout Florida and the southeastern United States, and hold events throughout the South! Each adhereing to and promoting the TREAD LIGHTLY! philosophy, STEALTH RIDER principles and responsible behavior from all it's members. We're willing to accept and educate every rider on the importance of these issues, but if you insist on being a yahoo, we'll just ask ya to ride in your own backyard, since that's the only place you'll be able to ride after motorized recreation is shut out of the forests...oops, I believe they're even trying to stop us from riding on our own land too, so you may just need to sell that machine afterall, Mr. Yahoo Rider. Swampy The Grand Poobah, WDSRC Shootin' From The Hip And Hittin' A Bullseye Everytime!