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[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2000 11:22 am
by Jim & Shannon Morehead
That sounds like a crock to me Chris. Har har har.
Seriously though, how do you figure that oxygen in the fuel is any different
than oxygen from the air? Oxygen is oxygen when I balance combustion
equations. Do you mean the oxygen in gasoline is bound to some other
substance and must be broken out before entering the combustion process?
Jim
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Subject: [DSN_klr650] gas mileage
> None of you are going to believe me, but:
>
> When I rode from Denver to LA, I had a Supertrapp, but the engine was
> stock otherwise. I was running Dunlop Trailmaxes, at a little higher
> than listed pressure on the highway. Keeping the bike around 65 mph, I
> got nearly 65 mpg on the highway. Only way it could be wrong is if the
> odo is off. In CA, I typically got 50, and it's dropped a little since
> I put the jet kit in and opened the airbox a bit. Probably down to 45.
> But there you have it. Yeah, I think the oxygenated gas in CA kills
> your mileage. My friend in Oregon has the same problem. If you put
> oxygen in the gas, rather than take it all from the air, that's less
> energy content.
>
> Chris
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[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2000 12:02 pm
by RM
On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, Jim & Shannon Morehead wrote:
>Seriously though, how do you figure that oxygen in the fuel is any
>different than oxygen from the air? Oxygen is oxygen when I balance
>combustion equations. Do you mean the oxygen in gasoline is bound to
>some other substance and must be broken out before entering the
>combustion process?
The MTBE additive in California [1] gasoline and the alcohol in other
oxygenated gasolines both contain less energy (per gallon) than gasoline
itself. These additives "dilute" the gasoline and reduce its total energy
output.
Even if the mixture is adjusted to compensate for the "forced leanness" of
this lousy gas, you still cannot totally compensate for the loss of energy
density.
RM
[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2000 12:15 pm
by John Huber
I live in Orem, UT and get 57 mpg out of my A7. It's quite nice having to fill up every week for $7.50 to $8.00, as opposed to the truck I sold for this bike that I had to fill every week. It had two 20 gallon tanks and I had to fill at least one of them every week. It got roughly 8-10 mpg [b]From:[/b] stingray@... [b][/b] [b]To:[/b]
DSN_klr650@egroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, June 05, 2000 10:17 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_klr650] gas mileage
None of you are going to believe me, but:
When I rode from Denver to LA, I had a Supertrapp, but the engine was
stock otherwise. I was running Dunlop Trailmaxes, at a little higher
than listed pressure on the highway. Keeping the bike around 65 mph, I
got nearly 65 mpg on the highway. Only way it could be wrong is if the
odo is off. In CA, I typically got 50, and it's dropped a little since
I put the jet kit in and opened the airbox a bit. Probably down to 45.
But there you have it. Yeah, I think the oxygenated gas in CA kills
your mileage. My friend in Oregon has the same problem. If you put
oxygen in the gas, rather than take it all from the air, that's less
energy content.
Chris
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[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2000 3:45 pm
by Jim & Shannon Morehead
Good observation Benjamin. You are correct on all counts about MTBE. Our
gov't in action once again. Ain't it grand??
Jim
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Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: gas mileage
> Is the MTBE that reduce fuel economy and not oxygenation. MTBE takes up
> volume and probably have less energy content. MTBE is being phased out
> because it poisons the environment it was meant to protect. Corrupt
> politicians and fanatic environmentalist is a deadly combination.
> Ben
>
> > From: "Jim & Shannon Morehead"
> >Subject: Re: gas mileage
> >
> >That sounds like a crock to me Chris. Har har har.
> >
> >Seriously though, how do you figure that oxygen in the fuel is any
> >different
> >than oxygen from the air? Oxygen is oxygen when I balance combustion
> >equations. Do you mean the oxygen in gasoline is bound to some other
> >substance and must be broken out before entering the combustion process?
> >
> >Jim
> >
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[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2000 6:21 am
by Jeff Walker
> Seriously though, how do you figure that oxygen in the fuel is any
different
> than oxygen from the air? Oxygen is oxygen when I balance combustion
> equations. Do you mean the oxygen in gasoline is bound to some other
> substance and must be broken out before entering the combustion process?
>
BINGO! The "O" in the gas isn't "O2", but is bonded chemically in a
compound, and energy must be used to break those covalent bonds before the
oxygen is liberated and free to combine with the carbons in the combustion
process to form carbon dioxide.
Jeff
[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2000 6:36 am
by Jeff Walker
> [1] I think there are other states that use MTBE as well.
>
>
Yep, western Washington in the Puget Sound region during half of the year
when the smog accumulation is the worst, and unfortunately so are the air
temperature inversions, so the fumes from that oxygenated gas is even more
irritating. What I really don't get, is why don't the refineries and gas
companies do a better job of removing sulfur from the gas.
Smell rotten eggs anyone?
Jeff
[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:11 pm
by Chuck MacKarness
>My A12 used to get right at 230 miles per tank B4 going to
>reserve. Of late though, I get close to 250. Riding style is
>the same. I'm thinking that California is starting to phase
>out the the MPG robbing MTBE. Any thoughts?
My A13 has always been at 220 when asking for reserve, loaded 2-up or solo. Hmmm... maybe because I hotdog solo :^)
I also live in MTBE land.
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[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:18 pm
by John Huber
My A7 went to 280 before reserve on the last tank of gas. I live in UT, at about 4500 ft.
John
A7
[dsn_klr650] gas mileage
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:22 pm
by Scherer, Michael
I wish. When I get to 150 miles I buy over 4 gallons.
Biker Mike (city only)
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My A7 went to 280 before reserve on the last tank of gas. I live in UT, at
about 4500 ft.
John
A7
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[dsn_klr650] how much does a gallon weigh?
Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2000 1:32 pm
by BCSavWill@cs.com
Hi,
Gas is lighter than water.
Will throw this in for non US based folk...how many?
Some places still use Imperial Gallons.........India, US x 1.2
Most others use Liters.
There again maybe oneday, KLR's will be on the moon, how much there?
LALROF>
Brian,
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