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Hi Alan, I bought a MX magazine to see what's changed since I read those rags as a teenager (but no bike). I saw that there is a French doctor that invented a procedure that involves snipping something in the forearm near the elbow to eliminate "arm pump," a well known symptom of gripping the handlebars too tightly. I understand some of the top MX'ers are getting this "state of the art" surgery, to procure an advantage as the laps dwindle down. Apparently, the modification is reversible, so why not give it a try (g!) I know that I could have used it on the White Rim trail ride at Moab, having limited dirt experience! Eric Colorado Springs A13L "whoopee cushion" ? (first cycle) PS- new home made web page http://members.aol.com/run2hills/klr650/index.htm">MY KLR PAGE

My Friend, Glad to hear the throttle lock is helping your hand condition. I am contemplating getting one but concerned about "drilling ant tapping" and about giving up control. Now for a brief primer on innervation of the hand... TWO nerves are responsible for your being able to make a peace sign! Median and Ulnar nerves. The ulnar nerve provides motor and sensory to the pinky and pinky-half of the ring-finger. The median nerve does the rest. The most COMMON reason for "numbness" in the pinky and ring fingers is a result of compression of the ulnar nerve where it traverses the medial aspect of the elbow.... ie. left arm up on the door while driving a cage for a long time will often produce these symptoms in the left pinky and ring fingers, as the medial aspect of the elbow tends to get chronically "crushed"... hence minimal life support... ie. ... BLOOD FLOW!!!!!," between it and the door. However, various sundry other reasons exist though they tend to be exceptions to the 'RULE'. The remaining three digits and palm are MOST COMMONLY affected (numbness/weakness) by a syndrome that the medical community refers to as 'CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME'. This happens most frequently in people like secretaries who always rest their palms on the keyboard to type. But it does not take a whole lot of imagination to extrapolate their plight to that of the avid KLRist. Hands on the grips for too long is like a secretary on the keyboard too long... both end up compressing the ulnar arch as it passes over the lateral aspect of the palm.... which results in what we all know already... compression of this nerve..... loss of blood flow.... and then the concomitant nerve compromise. So the message here is.... "TIME AWAY FROM THE GRIPS!!!!". The longer your little palms/fingers spend away from the grips then the less is your time spent impeding blood flow to the two aforementioned nerves:):):):):):) so go ahead... get that throttle lock... you'll be glad you did!!!! Peace, OJ A15

>From: Alan L Henderson >To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com >Subject: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep >Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:35:46 -0500 > >I lost the thread but wanted to comment on this subject. With me I don't >believe the primary cause is the vibration but rather the constant pressure >needed to hold the throttle steady on the road. I have trouble with such >things even when they don't vibrate but vibration does somewhat aggravate >the problem. Yes I have been to the doctor, not much can be done yet. I >have found that the throttle lock works wonders. It gives you the ability >to completely relax your hand even if it is still resting on the grip. I >couldn't have ridden to Colorado last year without it. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa "what a drag it is getting old"

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I have a throttle lock, and a throttle rocker. http://www.dual-star.com/throttle_rocker.htm And for $10 you cant beat the rocker. I use it all the time. I only use the throttle lock when I have to scrape a bug off my face shield, or need to stand up and streach my legs. MotorMark Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep

> > My Friend, > > Glad to hear the throttle lock is helping your hand condition. I am > contemplating getting one but concerned about "drilling ant tapping" and > about giving up control. Now for a brief primer on innervation of the > hand... TWO nerves are responsible for your being able to make a peace

sign!

> Median and Ulnar nerves. The ulnar nerve provides motor and sensory to the > pinky and pinky-half of the ring-finger. The median nerve does the rest.

The

> most COMMON reason for "numbness" in the pinky and ring fingers is a

result

> of compression of the ulnar nerve where it traverses the medial aspect of > the elbow.... ie. left arm up on the door while driving a cage for a long > time will often produce these symptoms in the left pinky and ring fingers, > as the medial aspect of the elbow tends to get chronically "crushed"... > hence minimal life support... ie. ... BLOOD FLOW!!!!!," between it and the > door. However, various sundry other reasons exist though they tend to be > exceptions to the 'RULE'. The remaining three digits and palm are MOST > COMMONLY affected (numbness/weakness) by a syndrome that the medical > community refers to as 'CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME'. This happens most > frequently in people like secretaries who always rest their palms on the > keyboard to type. But it does not take a whole lot of imagination to > extrapolate their plight to that of the avid KLRist. Hands on the grips

for

> too long is like a secretary on the keyboard too long... both end up > compressing the ulnar arch as it passes over the lateral aspect of the > palm.... which results in what we all know already... compression of this > nerve..... loss of blood flow.... and then the concomitant nerve

compromise.

> So the message here is.... "TIME AWAY FROM THE GRIPS!!!!". The longer your > little palms/fingers spend away from the grips then the less is your time > spent impeding blood flow to the two aforementioned nerves:):):):):):) > > so go ahead... get that throttle lock... you'll be glad you did!!!! > > Peace, > > OJ A15

hmph. well, i guess there's no way to prove any of this. i think alot of your descriptions and reasoning are incorrect, but the bottom line is right on. you've got to get your hands off the bars for a little bit to get rid of the buzz... -----Original Message----- From: OJ Salinas [mailto:saltypalm@...] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:03 AM To: al.henderson@...; DSN_klr650@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep My Friend, Glad to hear the throttle lock is helping your hand condition. I am contemplating getting one but concerned about "drilling ant tapping" and about giving up control. Now for a brief primer on innervation of the hand... TWO nerves are responsible for your being able to make a peace sign! Median and Ulnar nerves. The ulnar nerve provides motor and sensory to the pinky and pinky-half of the ring-finger. The median nerve does the rest. The most COMMON reason for "numbness" in the pinky and ring fingers is a result of compression of the ulnar nerve where it traverses the medial aspect of the elbow.... ie. left arm up on the door while driving a cage for a long time will often produce these symptoms in the left pinky and ring fingers, as the medial aspect of the elbow tends to get chronically "crushed"... hence minimal life support... ie. ... BLOOD FLOW!!!!!," between it and the door. However, various sundry other reasons exist though they tend to be exceptions to the 'RULE'. The remaining three digits and palm are MOST COMMONLY affected (numbness/weakness) by a syndrome that the medical community refers to as 'CARPAL TUNNEL SYNDROME'. This happens most frequently in people like secretaries who always rest their palms on the keyboard to type. But it does not take a whole lot of imagination to extrapolate their plight to that of the avid KLRist. Hands on the grips for too long is like a secretary on the keyboard too long... both end up compressing the ulnar arch as it passes over the lateral aspect of the palm.... which results in what we all know already... compression of this nerve..... loss of blood flow.... and then the concomitant nerve compromise. So the message here is.... "TIME AWAY FROM THE GRIPS!!!!". The longer your little palms/fingers spend away from the grips then the less is your time spent impeding blood flow to the two aforementioned nerves:):):):):):) so go ahead... get that throttle lock... you'll be glad you did!!!! Peace, OJ A15

>From: Alan L Henderson >To: DSN_klr650@egroups.com >Subject: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep >Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 23:35:46 -0500 > >I lost the thread but wanted to comment on this subject. With me I don't >believe the primary cause is the vibration but rather the constant pressure >needed to hold the throttle steady on the road. I have trouble with such >things even when they don't vibrate but vibration does somewhat aggravate >the problem. Yes I have been to the doctor, not much can be done yet. I >have found that the throttle lock works wonders. It gives you the ability >to completely relax your hand even if it is still resting on the grip. I >couldn't have ridden to Colorado last year without it. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa "what a drag it is getting old"

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At 12:03 AM 8/7/2000 CDT, you wrote:

> >My Friend, > >Glad to hear the throttle lock is helping your hand condition. I am >contemplating getting one but concerned about "drilling ant tapping" and >about giving up control.

No need to drill and tap anything on your bike. I made a little aluminum tab that goes under one of the throttle mounting screws and locates the throttle lock. Lock is actually a misnomer as the idea is to just have the "lock" hold the throttle just hard enough so it doesn't move when going down the road, you can still over ride the drag both up and down with a twist of the wrist without flipping the lock open. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

In a message dated 08/07/2000 1:35:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, al.henderson@... writes: www.bmwrams.org Club Treasurer RAMS # 127 BMWMOA #49736 Rider of the Birds and the Bees 1997 (A11) KLR 650 - "Bluebird" 1994 R100GS - "Bumblebee"

I'm just curious, do you all wear gloves? This has me a bit concerned because my A13 doesn't vibrate. It's very smooth. Does everyone notice a vibration such that it bothers them? I'm wondering if all your nuts and bolts are tightened properly. -Brian Shepard A13 -----Original Message----- From: TNBMWRIDER@... [mailto:TNBMWRIDER@...] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:51 PM To: al.henderson@...; DSN_klr650@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep In a message dated 08/07/2000 1:35:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, al.henderson@... writes: www.bmwrams.org Club Treasurer RAMS # 127 BMWMOA #49736 Rider of the Birds and the Bees 1997 (A11) KLR 650 - "Bluebird" 1994 R100GS - "Bumblebee" Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

Yes, I wear gloves and it has nothing to do with vibration. I wear gloves because I don't like leaving pieces of my hands on the ground when the inevitable get off occurs! -----Original Message----- From: Shepard,Brian [mailto:shepard@...] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:56 AM To: 'TNBMWRIDER@...'; al.henderson@...; DSN_klr650@egroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep I'm just curious, do you all wear gloves? This has me a bit concerned because my A13 doesn't vibrate. It's very smooth. Does everyone notice a vibration such that it bothers them? I'm wondering if all your nuts and bolts are tightened properly. -Brian Shepard A13 -----Original Message----- From: TNBMWRIDER@... [mailto:TNBMWRIDER@...] Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:51 PM To: al.henderson@...; DSN_klr650@egroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep In a message dated 08/07/2000 1:35:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, al.henderson@... writes: www.bmwrams.org Club Treasurer RAMS # 127 BMWMOA #49736 Rider of the Birds and the Bees 1997 (A11) KLR 650 - "Bluebird" 1994 R100GS - "Bumblebee" Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com Visit the KLR650 archives at http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... Let's keep this list SPAM free! Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com

In a message dated 08/07/2000 2:10:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shepard@... writes: www.bmwrams.org Club Treasurer RAMS # 127 BMWMOA #49736 Rider of the Birds and the Bees 1997 (A11) KLR 650 - "Bluebird" 1994 R100GS - "Bumblebee"

Hi Brian, I'm with you. My A13 doesn't seem to vibrate much either. On the other hand, maybe my senses are just very dull. Jim

----- Original Message ----- From: "Shepard,Brian" To: ; ; DSN_klr650@egroups.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep > I'm just curious, do you all wear gloves? This has me a bit concerned > because my A13 doesn't vibrate. It's very smooth. Does everyone notice a > vibration such that it bothers them? > I'm wondering if all your nuts and bolts are tightened properly. > > -Brian Shepard > A13 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: TNBMWRIDER@... [mailto:TNBMWRIDER@...] > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 1:51 PM > To: al.henderson@...; DSN_klr650@egroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] right hand falling asleep > > > In a message dated 08/07/2000 1:35:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > al.henderson@... writes: > > > > > Lock is actually a misnomer as the idea is to just have the > "lock" hold the throttle just hard enough so it doesn't move when going > down the road, you can still over ride the drag both up and down with a > twist of the wrist without flipping the lock open. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa > > > A friend of mine told me of a simple method for "holding the throttle" - I > am > using a black plastic pull tight fastener. It fits down between the throttle > > and just applies enough drag to allow you to get your hand off the throttle > if you want and saves on the amount of grip needed by the right hand in > holding the throttle. Simple and cheap. But, I still get numbness in the > right hand from the vibrations. Trying to reduce that now. My only compliant > > about the KLR. > > David W. Moulder (a.k.a. BB) > TNBMWRIDER@... > Riders Association of the MidSouth (RAMS), Website - www.bmwrams.org > Club Treasurer > RAMS # 127 > BMWMOA #49736 > Rider of the Birds and the Bees > 1997 (A11) KLR 650 - "Bluebird" > 1994 R100GS - "Bumblebee" > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > >