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[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2000 5:40 pm
by Denzfeat@aol.com
<< I'm not advocating paying full MSRP (I surely wouldn't!), but hammering
and chiseling and getting all emotional and letting $50 make or break a deal
is nuts. >>
On the other hand, the dealer who sold me both my Polaris Victory and my KLR,
as well as a couple of other bikes in the past, sells for not much more than
his cost and nobody can beat his deals. (He has a 2001 KLR on his floor for
$4350.) As a result he is repeatedly the second-largest-selling Polaris ATV
dealer in the country, and is consistently one of the busiest Kaw dealerships
in the area. He moves huge volumes due to his prices and is doing well enough
that Honda begged him to open an ATV franchise for them, which he just did.
Pete the cheap Streak
[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2000 7:47 pm
by Robert Morgan
$4350. is about invoice on that bike. Invoice is what a dealership pays the
parent company for a vehicle. I work for a Honda automobile dealership, I
am fairly well schooled in this. When you sell cars or bikes at what you
pay for them it is hard to keep the doors open on your store let alone pay
your employees a decent wage. Typically when employees are underpaid they
tend to do poor quality work. All the people that rant and rave about poor
quality work from dealerships might factor that in the next time they are
trying to grind some poor guy down to nothing on a car or bike deal.
Everybody has to make a buck to make the system work, that is the way
capitalism works. Other wise your lookin at Russia in the seventies. I can
guarantee you that if this dealership always sells his bikes at what he pays
for them he is hosing his customers somewhere else to compensate for the
loss of income, either that or he is laundering money for someone! When
some cheep SOB tries to grind me on getting his car fixed I make sure he
gets "The Discount Technician" (50% OFF most of the time) working on his
car. The cheapest guy always pays the highest price ultimately.
Morgan
I tip my cocktail waitresses very well and have a hard time paying for a
drink in any bar in town, think about it.
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> and chiseling and getting all emotional and letting $50 make or break a
deal
> is nuts. >>
>
> On the other hand, the dealer who sold me both my Polaris Victory and my
KLR,
> as well as a couple of other bikes in the past, sells for not much more
than
> his cost and nobody can beat his deals. (He has a 2001 KLR on his floor
for
> $4350.) As a result he is repeatedly the second-largest-selling Polaris
ATV
> dealer in the country, and is consistently one of the busiest Kaw
dealerships
> in the area. He moves huge volumes due to his prices and is doing well
enough
> that Honda begged him to open an ATV franchise for them, which he just
did.
>
> Pete the cheap Streak
>
>
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[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2000 11:42 pm
by Richard Ohnstad
A little different perspective: I believe the industry average that is
spoken of relates to 1 - 1 1/2% on sales. If that is the case, then its a
question of how many times you turn your inventory as to whether or not
you've invested poorly or well. If you turn your inventory 10 times per
year and make 1 1/2% on sales (or each turn), then your total return for the
year is 10 x 1.5% or 15%. Kind of like the supermarket business where they
traditionally have a low return on sales, but make it up by turning their
inventory frequently.
Richard in Tucson
94 KLR650
86 VFR750
> years, dealerships as a rule are doing pretty good. But put into
> perspective the return on investment. If you were to invest $10 million
to
> 50 (and in a lot of cases, much more) of your own money into a business,
> what would you think is a fair return on that investment? It's an
industry
> average to have 1-1 1/2% percent back into your pocket after all is said
and
> done. Dealerships are for sale all the time all over the place, if they
[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:12 am
by TimHiles@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/00 6:41:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Denzfeat@...
writes:
<< (He has a 2001 KLR on his floor for
$4350.) >>
Where is this, my local yokels are $1000 higher.
[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:19 am
by TimHiles@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/00 8:48:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
robertlmorgan@... writes:
<< I work for a Honda automobile dealership, I
am fairly well schooled in this. When you sell cars or bikes at what you
pay for them it is hard to keep the doors open on your store let alone pay
your employees a decent wage. >>
I worked for a Nissan dealer who sold all day long for invoice and made a
fortune. Ever car they sold had $400 or more holdback after invoice. They
sold 450 cars a month which means $180,000 profit monthly. They had the parts
dept. and service dept. and a body shop each earning about 200 to 200K
monthly. On a good month they saw 1Mil profit! I saw the P&L's, so this is
not rumor. I will continue to beat the hell out of them every time I buy a
car and not ever feel the least bit bad.
[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2000 6:41 pm
by racing43rd@aol.com
Pete
If he is actually selling at cost I'm sure he sells a ton of bikes but since
he makes 0 per bike where is his profit? He needs to pay his
help,utilities,rent, probably interest on a loan, etc. I suppose he must make
it on service and accessories.
Ed
Windsor Oh
[dsn_klr650] very nklr - those damned car dealerships
Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2000 10:13 pm
by Karl Raupp
That's what I'm thinking. Without a decent profit you cannot keep the doors
open. He's gotta be gouging somewhere else to offset this or the business
is a front to launder money or something. It just doesn't calculate.
Karl
>Pete
>If he is actually selling at cost I'm sure he sells a ton of bikes but
>since
>he makes 0 per bike where is his profit? He needs to pay his
>help,utilities,rent, probably interest on a loan, etc. I suppose he must
>make
>it on service and accessories.
>
>Ed
>Windsor Oh
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wheels and hubs for klr 650
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2000 1:44 am
by BCSavWill@cs.com
Hi All,
Does anyone know of after market hubs ?
I believe Excell have a suitable 17" rim? or maybe fit an 18".
Thanks a lot.
Brian
A14
D17