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[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2000 8:15 am
by Jim Jackson
Morning everyone!
Had another harrowing experience this morning. Cruising at 70 indicated in
the fast lane during rush hour traffic heading into downtown Greenville and
had some idiot in a Nissan pickup change lanes on top of me. I was next to a
concrete construction guard so there was absolutely no emergency lane at
all. Couldn't even see the painted line. Anyway I knew that two vehicles
behind me was a semi truck so a handfull of brakes would have killed me for
sure. I layed on the horn and accelerated. Thank goodness he had his window
open and heard me cause he swerved back and gave the normal "oops sorry,
didn't see you" wave. I was right next to him not in his blind spot when he
pulled over.
I'm thinking I'll start 'hopping' from car to car while on the highway from
now on. i.e.: stay behind until you have enough space to get at least even
with their front tire and then gun it. Also thinking that a Big Gun
(exhaust, I don't do that anymore...) would help a little if it's as loud as
folks say. Not relishing being grouped with the muffler-less Hawgs I've seen
in the mountains driving too slow and too loud but visibility is visibility.
Any advise?
Thanks,
Jim Jackson II
A13 - South Carolina (C'mon 'stitch', where's my Darien?)
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[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2000 8:15 am
by Jim Jackson
Morning everyone!
Had another harrowing experience this morning. Cruising at 70 indicated in
the fast lane during rush hour traffic heading into downtown Greenville and
had some idiot in a Nissan pickup change lanes on top of me. I was next to a
concrete construction guard so there was absolutely no emergency lane at
all. Couldn't even see the painted line. Anyway I knew that two vehicles
behind me was a semi truck so a handfull of brakes would have killed me for
sure. I layed on the horn and accelerated. Thank goodness he had his window
open and heard me cause he swerved back and gave the normal "oops sorry,
didn't see you" wave. I was right next to him not in his blind spot when he
pulled over.
I'm thinking I'll start 'hopping' from car to car while on the highway from
now on. i.e.: stay behind until you have enough space to get at least even
with their front tire and then gun it. Also thinking that a Big Gun
(exhaust, I don't do that anymore...) would help a little if it's as loud as
folks say. Not relishing being grouped with the muffler-less Hawgs I've seen
in the mountains driving too slow and too loud but visibility is visibility.
Any advise?
Thanks,
Jim Jackson II
A13 - South Carolina (C'mon 'stitch', where's my Darien?)
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[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2000 8:52 am
by Jeff Walker
> Morning everyone!
>
> Had another harrowing experience this morning. Cruising at 70 indicated in
> the fast lane during rush hour traffic heading into downtown Greenville
and
> had some idiot in a Nissan pickup change lanes on top of me. I was next to
a
> concrete construction guard so there was absolutely no emergency lane at
> all. Couldn't even see the painted line. Anyway I knew that two vehicles
> behind me was a semi truck so a handfull of brakes would have killed me
for
> sure. I layed on the horn and accelerated. Thank goodness he had his
window
> open and heard me cause he swerved back and gave the normal "oops sorry,
> didn't see you" wave. I was right next to him not in his blind spot when
he
> pulled over.
>
> I'm thinking I'll start 'hopping' from car to car while on the highway
from
> now on. i.e.: stay behind until you have enough space to get at least even
> with their front tire and then gun it. Also thinking that a Big Gun
> (exhaust, I don't do that anymore...) would help a little if it's as loud
as
> folks say. Not relishing being grouped with the muffler-less Hawgs I've
seen
> in the mountains driving too slow and too loud but visibility is
visibility.
>
> Any advise?
>
Well, yeah. Don't cruise in the fast lane! You are much better off all the
way over in the right hand lane (especially since there is nearly always a
shoulder there). If traffic is merging on, either get over a lane, slow
down or speed up. But cruising in the fast lane is the wrong thing to do,
especially if you get that guy in the muscle car going 90+ coming right up
your ass and is pissed because you are going too slow, cruising in the fast
lane. In my state, this is illegal, and semitrucks aren't allowed in the
fast lane either, if it is a three lane wide road, or only to pass if it is
a two lane road. DO use the HOV lane if you have one though.
Good situational awareness on your part, knowing that there was a semi
behind you. Acceleration, horn, and a good hard kick to the driver's door
with your heavy boots is the way I would have handled it, and I have been
there.
Jeff
[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2000 9:11 am
by Jim Jackson
As it turns out, the construction was on a new overpass so there was no
shoulder on either side of this particular 500 foot stretch of highway.
Also no change in posted speed limit. I have found in my Jeep that my
rocket-scientist South Carolinian friends merging technique consists of:
Pull onto the on-ramp. Stop. Creep onto the highway and accelerate to the
posted speed limit in no sooner than 10 minutes. There are about 10 miles
where it is really suicide to run in the slow lane without riding the
brakes. This guy was trying to avoid just such an incident and didn't want
to use his brakes, blinkers or check his 9 when he merged onto me. My pet
peeve on the street is slow drivers in the fast lane so I don't do that.
By the way, my apologies to all for the double-post.
Jim Jackson II
A13 - South Carolina
>
>Don't cruise in the fast lane! You are much better off all the way over in
>the right hand lane (especially since there is nearly always a shoulder
>there).
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[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2000 11:35 am
by spye@hvgb.net
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From: Jim Jackson
To: nookie@... ; jazranch@...
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Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 10:15 AM
>Morning everyone!
>Had another harrowing experience this morning.
>I'm thinking I'll start 'hopping' from car to car while on the highway from
>now on. i.e.: stay behind until you have enough space to get at least even
>with their front tire and then gun it. Also thinking that a Big Gun
>(exhaust, I don't do that anymore...) would help a little if it's as loud
as
>folks say. Not relishing being grouped with the muffler-less Hawgs I've
seen
>in the mountains driving too slow and too loud but visibility is
visibility.
>Any advise?
>Thanks,
>Jim Jackson II
>A13 - South Carolina (C'mon 'stitch', where's my Darien?)
Wow, scary experience. Glad to hear you didn't get 'squashed'!
I know this may not be a popular idea but I believe your notion of a louder
pipe actually helps. I installed a Cobra "Four Stroke" pipe this spring and
it is loud. I honestly believe there is a discernible difference in way
traffic reacts to me now,as compared to when I was running stock.
I like your hopping idea as well. Being aware of where you are in traffic
relative to other vehicles makes sense.Years ago I trained to drive semi
trucks. My instructor used to say " when you get behind the wheel( or on
your bike),think in terms of every other driver getting out of bed that day
with the intent to kill you ". I believe this mindset works.
Stay on top of things out there folks!!
Cheers,
Steve Pye
A7
[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2000 12:35 pm
by Jeff Walker
> > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:46:04 -0700
> > From: "Jeff Walker"
>
> > Don't cruise in the fast lane! You are much better off all the
> >way over in the right hand lane (especially since there is nearly always
a
> >shoulder there).
>
> In one of my MSF courses, it was pointed out that statistically, the
safest
> lane on a multi-lane freeway is the number two lane. (The number one lane
> being the fast lane, of course.) IIRC, the most dangerous lane is the slow
> lane.
>
I do like the 2nd lane and having the versatility it affords to not worry
about the merging traffic, but also being in the slow lane and having the
"out" on the right hand side has saved my hide a couple of times. Are these
statistics for all vehicular traffic, including the mindless drone cagers,
or just for motorcyclists?
Jeff
[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2000 12:15 pm
by Sarah Barwig
At 04:33 PM 6/26/00 +0000, Karl Raupp wrote:
> > In one of my MSF courses, it was pointed out that statistically,
>the safest
> > lane on a multi-lane freeway is the number two lane. (The number
>one lane
> > being the fast lane, of course.) IIRC, the most dangerous lane is
>the slow
> > lane.
> >
> > TomK
>
>What is the reasoning behind that logic?
Umm. There ain't no reasoning to statistics. He's quoting # of accidents /
lane. Like, some actual number from the CHP or some such. No real reason
for any car/bike to ever have an accident. They just kinda happen.
---o&>o---
Sarah Barwig
sarah@...
[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2000 3:57 pm
by Conall O'Brien
>From: "Karl Raupp"
>To:
DSN_klr650@egroups.com
>Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Defensive Driving Techniques
>Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:33:47 -0000
>
> > In one of my MSF courses, it was pointed out that statistically,
>the safest
> > lane on a multi-lane freeway is the number two lane. (The number
>one lane
> > being the fast lane, of course.) IIRC, the most dangerous lane is
>the slow
> > lane.
> >
> > TomK
>
>What is the reasoning behind that logic? I just returned from a trip
>and was giving this lots of attention since my bike quit on me (ran
>out of gas) on I-94 Detroit rush hour traffic. If I was in any lane
>other than the rightmost my chances of injury/accident would have
>skyrocketed. I like to ride in the lane that has a good shoulder to
>escape on to. Anything cane happern - run out of gas, flat, chain
>break, baggage fall off, bug in the eye, etc., and a shoulder is a
>bonus safety margin for you.
>
>Karl
>
>
I drive on 4 and 5 lane (going in one direction) freeways, and I've noticed
that when I'm in the #2 lane, I really have to keep up my speed or else I
have traffic on both sides trying to pass. Your better off on one side or
the other so you have one less lane of traffic trying to overtake you. IMHO.
Put yourself where they can't hit you.
Conall
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[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2000 4:20 pm
by k650dsn@aol.com
In a message dated Mon, 26 Jun 2000 5:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Conall O'Brien" writes:
>>
When I took my MSF class a meer 22 years ago, they said that the Interstate, Freeways or Expressways were the safest place for a motorcyclist because everyone is, for the most part, going the sam direction. Intersections were by far the worse.
I'm not so sure that the Freeway is all that safe anymore. There are many more distractions for the modern driver; cell phones for instance. When commuting, I'd always ride the interstate, but now, I find myself preferring to take my chances on the side road.
Gino
[dsn_klr650] nklr defensive driving techniques
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2000 6:06 pm
by Shepard,Brian
I recently decided to stay OFF the Interstate too. The stretch of I-95 that
passes through Philly (20 miles) is very dangerous. People get killed too
frequently by flying debris from small trucks that hasn't been secured
properly. My buddy who rides a MuZ 660 Skorpion was riding on this stretch
of I-95 going about 65MPH when, to his horror, a bunch of re-bars (those
long steel rods that are used to reinforce cement) came flying off of a
truck about 5 or 6 car lengths in front of him. I know what you're all
thinking; the horror, the horror! He had no where to go and little if any
time to react. He plowed through them, flew off his bike and I think he said
it was a high side. To his amazement, he was taken away with only a
fractured knee cap. His bike suffered minor damage. He was wearing leathers;
jacket, pants, cloves, and boots. A guy got killed recently when a large
bolt came flying off a tow truck; flew through the guys windshield and
killed him instantly. If anyone is considering riding this stretch of I-95,
beware.
-Brian Shepard
Philadelphia PA
A13
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Sent: 6/26/00 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: NKLR Defensive Driving Techniques
In a message dated Mon, 26 Jun 2000 5:01:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Conall O'Brien" writes:
>>
When I took my MSF class a meer 22 years ago, they said that the
Interstate, Freeways or Expressways were the safest place for a
motorcyclist because everyone is, for the most part, going the sam
direction. Intersections were by far the worse.
I'm not so sure that the Freeway is all that safe anymore. There are
many more distractions for the modern driver; cell phones for instance.
When commuting, I'd always ride the interstate, but now, I find myself
preferring to take my chances on the side road.
Gino
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