[dsn_klr650] "weird problem #2" (long)

[Sarah Barwig]

>Actually Chrysler should be commended for the way they >handled the situation which is causing your wait for a >PT Cruiser.

Really? Like the fact that they're only making 300 cars a day and they had over 8400 orders in the month of April? Or maybe the fact that they ran out of leather seats? Or perhaps that they ran out of manual transmissions (who woulda thunk that Americans would want a stick shift)? I believe that Chrysler should have seen the demand they were creating coming and been prepared to gear up to it if necessary. I don't think that the 500 units they had to recall had much effect on the other 8000 people who are all still waiting...

> The manufacturer that supply's the aluminum >frame components shipped 100 units that were not heat >treated and they were installed in vehicles that were sold. >Chrysler recalled a batch of 500 PT Cruiser's of which >100 contained the defective parts. All 500 customers >received brand new vehicles in exchange.

When? The federal government can't even get a PT with side air bags to test crash because the person who ordered it won't even sell it for 10,000 over sticker (which is what the dealership stuck the feds for on the other PT that they were able to get.) I haven't heard the 100 frames not heat treated rumor yet, but I'll see what the PT_enthusiasts list has to say about it (you wanna see high traffic? oy.) Where did you get that information from? ---o&>o--- Sarah Barwig sarah@...

[bill e goat]

I haven't heard the 100

> frames not heat > treated rumor yet, but I'll see what the > PT_enthusiasts list has to say > about it (you wanna see high traffic? oy.) > > Where did you get that information from?

As an uninformed and socially alienated biker dude, would you please explain to me what is the fuss over this automobile? Is it something else besides another shape of metal box with windows? what's all the fuss? Just another way to clog up the roads, as if they weren't clogged up enough anyway. What is revolutionary about it? Must be something. some of us want to know Yes, I do own a rarely-driven car, which I saved from the junkyard.... Manny Garcias Desnuda 57 Triumph Bennadryl 46 Girdel 350 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

[Sarah Barwig]

>As an uninformed and socially alienated biker dude, >would you please explain to me what is the fuss over >this automobile?

As for fuss? Well, I'm not exactly sure of it myself. I've been without a car since my 91 Honda Civic LX got stolen Jan.99. And I've been hit&run on my bike last Sep. And I've just moved to a place where I can't walk to the grocery store (farther than 1 mile carrying frozen foods is too far). So, I need a car. And the PT Cruiser is a station wagon (not an suv or minivan which I don't need), has ok gas mileage (not great, but not hideous), can carry an 8' ladder if need be, plus it looks cool. That's why I want one. As for everyone else? I have no idea, and I wish they'd get out of line so I could get mine faster. ---o&>o--- Sarah Barwig sarah@...

[PRBKLR@cs.com]

This is just typical supply and demand marketing. Offer the public a limited supply to create the demand and charge them $3k and up over MSRP for the first year of production. Next year produce more than the year before and not gouge the consumer quite as badly and then the next year all those that paid MSRP+++ will see 20 of them on the lot with $1,000 rebate offers cause they can't move them anymore. Let's see, a real good example comes to mind... The New Beetle! They haven't gotten to the rebates yet, but there are plenty available, even the "new" "limited" colors. Paul A13 Sarah Barwig wrote:

> > > >Actually Chrysler should be commended for the way they > >handled the situation which is causing your wait for a > >PT Cruiser. > > Really? Like the fact that they're only making 300 cars a day and they had > over 8400 orders in the month of April? Or maybe the fact that they ran out > of leather seats? Or perhaps that they ran out of manual transmissions (who > woulda thunk that Americans would want a stick shift)? I believe that > Chrysler should have seen the demand they were creating coming and been > prepared to gear up to it if necessary. I don't think that the 500 units > they had to recall had much effect on the other 8000 people who are all > still waiting... > > > The manufacturer that supply's the aluminum > >frame components shipped 100 units that were not heat > >treated and they were installed in vehicles that were sold. > >Chrysler recalled a batch of 500 PT Cruiser's of which > >100 contained the defective parts. All 500 customers > >received brand new vehicles in exchange. > > When? The federal government can't even get a PT with side air bags to test > crash because the person who ordered it won't even sell it for 10,000 over > sticker (which is what the dealership stuck the feds for on the other PT > that they were able to get.) I haven't heard the 100 frames not heat > treated rumor yet, but I'll see what the PT_enthusiasts list has to say > about it (you wanna see high traffic? oy.) > > Where did you get that information from? > > ---o&>o--- > Sarah Barwig > sarah@... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Remember four years of good friends, bad clothes, explosive chemistry > experiments. > http://click.egroups.com/1/5532/5/_/911801/_/961532830/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > Support Dual Sport News... dsneditor@... > Let's keep this list SPAM free! > > Visit our site at http://www.egroups.com/group/DSN_klr650 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@egroups.com > > >

[bill e goat]

> Make that an Excursion. I keep mixing up those two > names.

they're both evil, and they're multiplying like horny little rabbits. It's getting so you can't see the road in front of you, there are so many of these huge monuments to everyone's prosperity out there. I wonder how many KLRs would be the equivalent of one year's depreciation on one of these enormous gluttonous wagons? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

[Bogdan Swider]

> they're both evil, and they're multiplying like horny > little rabbits. >

A goat calling a rabbit horny. Interesting, Bogdan

[Toby Lampson]

Dash Weeks wrote:

> At 12:43 AM 6/21/00 +0000, Steve Anderson wrote: > > > > > > As counter-intuitive as it may seem, icing is possible under > > > conditions as high as 60 degrees F - I've seen it first-person > > > back when cars were carbureted (practically ancient history now). > > > Maybe that physics professor lurking out there can explain the > > > dynamics of the Venturi effect > > > > > >I ain't any kind of professor let alone a physics professor unless > >all my professing makes me a professor;-], but carb icing is pretty > >straightforward, at least that's what they drilled into me during > >aircraft pilot training. The venturi effect lowers the pressure, > >which pretty much proportionally lowers the temperature. > >Additionally, if not more important, is that the fuel vaporizing > >(boiling) also cools the air appreciably. If the walls of the > >venturi, where all this cooling is occuring gets below freezing, than > >the moisture in the air can condense and freeze. It generally will > >happen in a narrow range of temperature/humidity/throttle/power > >settings. Some carbs are completely immune. > > > >I'm not comfortable speculating on whether this is causing any of > >these *wierd problems* however. > > I aint no smarty either. SmartAss yes.. Professor no... > > I've heard of this happening on carbs as well. But the venturi effect only > provides the pressure differential and the Thompson effect cools based on > the differential. > > How that is gonna fix the problem or how that is actually relevant to the > cost of pork bellies this morning... I don't know....

Whhaaaaaaattt just a minute. Creativity strikes once more........ You know that stuff that is added to fuel tanks, in winter- in rain, and is designed to mix any water in the tank with gas so that it will burn/pass through the carb??? IF, and that's a big IF......this stuff was in ones fuel and there was moisture at the venturi(or needle valve)...... then it should effectively mix that moisture(air moisture) with the vaporized fuel >>>and burn baby burn......eh???? So, IF icing is the culprit, then someone could use this stuff and it ought to negate the performance problem associated with running in rain...........IF that's the problem. I don't run in heavy enough rain, long enough, to ever do this test myself. IF, someone ever tries this out.......I'd like to know Curious minds want to know! Slide Factor