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[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 1:08 am
by Craig Highline
I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc. All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms.
Craig Highline
A2
>>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>>
What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get
fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to
vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds
patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land?
-Brian Shepard
Philadelphia PA
A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike
ROCKS!
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[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 1:59 am
by Mark Wilson
If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and horses will be
banned!!!
Mark Wilson
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> I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be
policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc.
All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms.
>
> Craig Highline
> A2
>
> >>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>>
> What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get
> fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to
> vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds
> patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land?
>
> -Brian Shepard
> Philadelphia PA
> A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike
> ROCKS!
[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 8:58 am
by zootpatutie
So far, horses are allowed in wilderness areas. Wheeled and motor vehicles
not.
Todd
A9
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Wilson"
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment
> If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and horses will be
> banned!!!
>
> Mark Wilson
>
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html
>
>
>
> > I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be
> policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc.
> All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms.
> >
> > Craig Highline
> > A2
> >
> > >>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>>
> > What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get
> > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to
> > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do
police/feds
> > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land?
> >
> > -Brian Shepard
> > Philadelphia PA
> > A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike
> > ROCKS!
>
>
>
[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:39 am
by Mark Wilson
I dont think horses are allowed in most wilderness areas, check this out for
more info -
http://sharetrails.org/backc.html
especially Part Two.
Here is a quote from there -
>>>>
These groups deliberately downplay the fact that most forms of recreation
are not allowed in Wilderness. Mountain bikes, not allowed! Motorcycles and
ATV's not allowed! Snowmobiles not allowed! Even those forms of recreation
that are allowed are severely restricted with Wilderness advocates
attempting to kick outfitters and guides, horseback riders and even large
groups of hikers (Boy Scouts and church groups for example) out of areas
after they are designated Wilderness. ----- Original Message -----
From: zootpatutie
To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com>; Mark Wilson
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment
> So far, horses are allowed in wilderness areas. Wheeled and motor vehicles
> not.
> Todd
> A9
[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:45 am
by Weaver, Mark
probably patrolled by rangers. i know more about bicycles than motor
vehicles, but most of the time rangers get you at trailheads, when you're
exiting the (closed) trail. fines can vary. california state parks are
pricey (over $100 for a bicycle-in-closed-area ticket). feds are a little
more reasonable. i only got hit up for $50 in pt reyes.
i think that bicycle restrictions (except maybe an alternating day policy in
extremely heavily used areas) are completely unreasonable, and i don't
hesitate to ride my bike anywhere i won't get caught, i partially do this
because i believe bicycles cause no more wear and erosion that feet.
i would be hesitant to ride my motorcycle on singletrack that was not open,
just because singletrack in california usually needs to be maintained if
motors are using it. fire roads and old logging roads are a completely
different matter, however. the damage is done there, and i'm certainly not
going to be able to make it any worse.
mark weaver
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 10:12 AM
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> Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment
>
>
> What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean,
> do you get
> fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to
> vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do
> police/feds
> patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land?
>
> -Brian Shepard
> Philadelphia PA
> A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day
> weekend. This bike
> ROCKS!
>
>
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[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:55 am
by Weaver, Mark
actually, i'm pretty sure horses are ok in wilderness, just mechanical
things are bad. god knows why, since they're one of the most destructive
possible forces, as well as being non-native to this continent. it really
irks me. i say end the enslavement. freedom for equine americans! free all
the horses and let their owners get proper vehicles (2-wheeled ones).
mw
[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 12:59 pm
by Jeff Walker
> What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get
> fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to
> vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do police/feds
> patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land?
>
At best, a warning. More likely, a written citation with a monetary
penalty. At worst, a charge of criminal trespassing. (trespassing on
PUBLIC land???) What ever agency that is responsible for that land is
responsible for patrolling it, and yes sometimes they do use vehicles in
areas that are supposed to be closed to OHV traffic, and in CA it was found
that such patrols caused more environmental damage than the original OHV
traffic.
Jeff
[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2000 4:01 pm
by Rob Heywood
Horses do way more fucking damage!!
zootpatutie wrote:
> So far, horses are allowed in wilderness areas. Wheeled and motor vehicles
> not.
> Todd
> A9
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Wilson"
> To: DSN_KLR650@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment
>
> > If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and horses will be
> > banned!!!
> >
> > Mark Wilson
> >
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html
> >
> >
> >
> > > I believe that it would be closed to motor vehicle traffic. It would be
> > policed by whatever agency is responsible. i.e. BLM, Forest Service, etc.
> > All of those agencies has their own law enforcement arms.
> > >
> > > Craig Highline
> > > A2
> > >
> > > >>> "Shepard,Brian" 05/31 11:11 AM >>>
> > > What are the legalities of this public land closure. I mean, do you get
> > > fined if you're on the land that has been closed? Is it just closed to
> > > vehicles, but not people? How does this work? If so, then do
> police/feds
> > > patrol it to make sure nobody is on the land?
> > >
> > > -Brian Shepard
> > > Philadelphia PA
> > > A13 which performed awesomely this past Memorial Day weekend. This bike
> > > ROCKS!
> >
> >
> >
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[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2000 7:45 am
by ephilride@aol.com
rheywoo1@... writes:
> Horses do way more ...... damage!!
Yea, but - the Forest Service troops in the early years, all road horses. I
think it is a heritage thing. Sure the horses chop up the dirt and poop on
the trail. But I think the public lands are big large enough and resilient
enough for ALL to play - even horses and motorbikes and loggers!
Knot - who was taught to share
[dsn_klr650] nklr environment
Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2000 11:59 am
by tom stone
No, wilderness areas and natural areas don't "necessarily" exclude horses.
But the radical environmentalists being the incrementalists they are, here's
how it works...it's as predictable as a Sun Dial: First, the USDA
"Inventories" the trails. Second, they ban all "user created" trails.
Third, they do an "environmental impact study". Fourth, they close trails.
Step 3 and 4 are then repeated in successive Forest Plans. If your new to
this and wonder how they achieve it, it's done through cash rich political
action committees and harassing law suites.
>From: "Weaver, Mark"
>To: Mark Wilson ,
DSN_KLR650@egroups.com
>Subject: RE: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment
>Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:54:36 -0700
>
>actually, i'm pretty sure horses are ok in wilderness, just mechanical
>things are bad. god knows why, since they're one of the most destructive
>possible forces, as well as being non-native to this continent. it really
>irks me. i say end the enslavement. freedom for equine americans! free all
>the horses and let their owners get proper vehicles (2-wheeled ones).
>mw
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Wilson [mailto:motormark@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 11:59 PM
> > To:
DSN_KLR650@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR Environment
> >
> >
> > If they turn them into wilderness areas, even bicycles and
> > horses will be
> > banned!!!
> >
> > Mark Wilson
> >
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/motormark/usa.mc.politics.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
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