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[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote:

> > Tidings from West Michigan > > In "MCN" they did a reveiw and liked a tool made to cut the end off of oil > filters. > Besides the spark plug, we can learn alot, about whats going on inside the > engine, tranny. (Like a blood test) > > So, it makes Me think more, about the re-usable, stainless steel one, that you > would open to clean out, rinse it into a coffie filter, > > (in a motel sink, LOL Kidding) so you can see, whats in side of it, > metal, clutch material, etc. > > Thoughts?? >

What is missing in the oil filter/screen discussion is how many microns is the filter screening for. One parts guy poo-pooed EMGO filters as inferior to KAWI OEM replacement filters. 'What is the micron filtration of the OEM filter?' I asked. (dumb look follows + blank stare) Exactly. What I sincerely doubt, is that the stainless steel/bronze filter screen is anywhere near as effective as the least effective paper filter. But that is just a guess. Recently, I cut open an oil filter on a 2004, 1250 mile bike. As the 4th owner (yes, 4th) I can only hope it was not its first oil filter change. shrug. who knows. It is still breaking in; and what a joy to shift up through the gears of a bike that has not been down the trail...but that is going to change. smile. I was pretty surprised at the volume of 'silver' shreds of Al and Fe in the filter compared to the 35K and 27K mile bikes. If you are a buy-a-bike, look and see, trade it away rider, perhaps a screen vs paper filter will will save you a few dollars. However, I want my my bikes to go 60-80K miles and they get paper filters and oil changes based on oil analysis done by myself and others through CAT oil analysis. = Rotella 15-40 dino, NGT 2000 miles; the point where 40wt oil shears to 30wt. (Oil analysis done by myself, Jeff Saline, Blake Sobiloff(sp?), Steve R. and Watt-man; perhaps others as well. Jeff is the keeper of the data.) As for me and my house, we will use paper filters--unless the empirical evidence suggests otherwise. Stainless steel filters look penny wise and pound foolish to me....ymmv. revmaaatin.

[Jud]

At about $70, the stainless filter will pay for itself in just 23 oil changes.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote: > > Tidings from West Michigan > > In "MCN" they did a reveiw and liked a tool made to cut the end off of oil > filters. > Besides the spark plug, we can learn alot, about whats going on inside the > engine, tranny. (Like a blood test) > > So, it makes Me think more, about the re-usable, stainless steel one, that you > would open to clean out, rinse it into a coffie filter, > > (in a motel sink, LOL Kidding) so you can see, whats in side of it, > metal, clutch material, etc. > > Thoughts?? >

[Fred Hink]

Like most everything else, there are cheaper versions.  $40 Fram filters sell for about $8   Different strokes........ Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com     [b]From:[/b] judjonzz@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, July 23, 2010 12:19 PM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Oil filters   At about $70, the stainless filter will pay for itself in just 23 oil changes. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote:

> > Tidings from West

Michigan

> > In "MCN" they did a reveiw and liked a tool made to

cut the end off of oil

> filters. > Besides the spark plug, we can

learn alot, about whats going on inside the

> engine, tranny. (Like a

blood test)

> > So, it makes Me think more, about the re-usable,

stainless steel one, that you

> would open to clean

out,  rinse it into a coffie filter,

> > (in a motel

sink, LOL Kidding) so you can see, whats in side of it,

> metal,

clutch material, etc.

> >

Thoughts??  

>

[mark ward]

[Ron Magen]

6c. Re: Oil filters Date: Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:30 am ((PDT))

> In "MCN" they did a reveiw and liked a tool made to cut the end off of oil > filters. > So, it makes Me think more, about the re-usable, stainless steel one, that > you > would open to clean out, rinse it into a coffie filter, > Thoughts??

What is missing in the oil filter/screen discussion is how many microns is the filter screening for. What I sincerely doubt, is that the stainless steel/bronze filter screen is anywhere near as effective as the least effective paper filter. revmaaatin. Rev, et al . . . At the cost of 'decent' filters {EMGO, etc}, especially in 'bulk purchases' -of 6 to 12 units- 'Change Early and Often' seems to be a good mantra. Even more so with the physical configuration of the KLR650 . . . Conveniently leaning on it's kick-stand, the 'FULL' oil level is BELOW the filter compartment. You can EASILY pop the cover, change the filter, and replace the cover . . . WITHOUT 'touching' the oil !!. {at most you will have to 'top off' for the ounce or so that was IN the filter} Regards, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop _______________________________________ No infections found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System Shield http://www.iolo.com

[mark ward]