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[TLrydr@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/24/02 0:44:20 AM EST, elcid24@... writes: << The whine the Kendas make on the street drives me nuts. The cornering grip of the kendas is poor compared to more street 80/20 tire. >> Just installed my 325-21 Kenda., and this is the 1st negative post on the Kenda i heard, It better have good grip, I like to scrap a peg sometimes playing around, Mike

[ATO137528@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/25/2002 11:54:29 AM Central Standard Time, TLrydr@... writes:

> grip > of the kendas is poor compared to more street 80/20 tire. >> > > Just installed my 325-21 Kenda., and this is the 1st > negative > post on the Kenda i heard, It better have good grip, I like to scrap a peg > sometimes playing around,

You're much more likely to scrape your ass than a peg...not counting your beloved KLR sliding down the road without you. I've said it before, only to be flamed, that the Kendas are great off-road, but can't be trusted on pavement. God forbid it be WET. For puttering around like someone's grandmother (which I do sometimes) ANY tire is ok. BUT, if you plan to ride aggressively and put a load on the sidewall knobs, your gonna' soil yourself. Be careful. Lamar A14 (used up the Kendas and have TKC-80's now) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Devon Jarvis]

What do people expect from a knobby tire on a wet paved road? I am using a K270 front, and I think it works great on the street FOR A KNOBBY. On wet pavement or dry, it slides very predictably and always gives a lot of warning by squirming and "walking" a bit to the outside. Of course it breaks traction before a street tire. Duh. How's a gripster at 40mph in deep sand? Devon ATO137528@... wrote:

> > In a message dated 3/25/2002 11:54:29 AM Central Standard Time, > TLrydr@... writes: > > > > grip > > of the kendas is poor compared to more street 80/20 tire. >> > > > > Just installed my 325-21 Kenda., and this is the 1st > > negative > > post on the Kenda i heard, It better have good grip, I like to scrap a peg > > sometimes playing around, > > You're much more likely to scrape your ass than a peg...not counting your > beloved KLR sliding down the road without you. I've said it before, only to > be flamed, that the Kendas are great off-road, but can't be trusted on > pavement. God forbid it be WET. For puttering around like someone's > grandmother (which I do sometimes) ANY tire is ok. BUT, if you plan to ride > aggressively and put a load on the sidewall knobs, your gonna' soil yourself. > Be careful. > > Lamar > A14 (used up the Kendas and have TKC-80's now) >

[TLrydr@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/25/02 1:12:15 PM EST, ATO137528@... writes: << You're much more likely to scrape your ass than a peg...not counting your beloved KLR sliding down the road without you. I've said it before, only to be flamed, that the Kendas are great off-road, but can't be trusted on pavement. >> Lamer, Well i will just pull that peaceof shit Kenda off my rim if thats the case, Thats when i get back from Mexico that is. To me thats 1/2 the fun of the KLR is to shove in a 30 mph turn at 60 mph HE ha, No flames i live in Texas, Not many cars on the roads, People still ride there Horses to work and stuff. Mike

[Zachariah Mully]

Umh, speaking from personal experience, Gripsters and deep sand don't mix I did the Meteor DS ride two years ago on Gripsters and paid for it. As for K270's being slick when wet, I dunno about that. Last week when it was raining here in DC, I took the KLR out to practice my wet braking and turning. Probably one of the first times I've pushed the K270 on wet pavement and I was very impressed with it (for a knobby). It had very predictable behavior in turns and even while doing emergency stops, it never broke loose... though that could be attributed to my KLX brakes and not the tire. The tire is scary when NEW. Once you scrub it in, I think it performs at least at 80% of a Gripster in most catagories except perhaps noise and life. When you get Gripsters warmed up silly lean angles and peg dragging is very easy, but I wouldn't *expect* that out of knobbies, so slightly lesser performance in the corners is entirely acceptable out of the K270's. My only real gripe about the K270's is that 3.25 front on mine makes the front end steer waay heavy. 3.00's are probably the best comprimise IMO unless you're doing a ton of sand. Z

On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 13:37, Devon Jarvis wrote: > What do people expect from a knobby tire on a wet paved road? I am using > a K270 front, and I think it works great on the street FOR A KNOBBY. On > wet pavement or dry, it slides very predictably and always gives a lot > of warning by squirming and "walking" a bit to the outside. Of course it > breaks traction before a street tire. Duh. > > How's a gripster at 40mph in deep sand? > > Devon > > ATO137528@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/25/2002 11:54:29 AM Central Standard Time, > > TLrydr@... writes: > > > > > > > grip > > > of the kendas is poor compared to more street 80/20 tire. >> > > > > > > Just installed my 325-21 Kenda., and this is the 1st > > > negative > > > post on the Kenda i heard, It better have good grip, I like to scrap a peg > > > sometimes playing around, > > > > You're much more likely to scrape your ass than a peg...not counting your > > beloved KLR sliding down the road without you. I've said it before, only to > > be flamed, that the Kendas are great off-road, but can't be trusted on > > pavement. God forbid it be WET. For puttering around like someone's > > grandmother (which I do sometimes) ANY tire is ok. BUT, if you plan to ride > > aggressively and put a load on the sidewall knobs, your gonna' soil yourself. > > Be careful. > > > > Lamar > > A14 (used up the Kendas and have TKC-80's now) > >

[Devon Jarvis]

I rode my KLR in the Sandy Lane enduro yesterday (1/2 of it anyway), so the deep sand issue is fresh in my head. I used a K270 front and an MT21 rear. The MT was excellent. The 270 was OK, but as Zack knows yesterday could be considered extreme conditions for a KLR. 40 miles until I houred out and quit. 30 of which were single-track woods trails, 5 were whooped double track, 5 were fire roads. 10 miles of the woods trails were littered with trees closer together than my bars are wide every 30 yards or closer. All of it was littered with deep sand, including ruts over my footpegs and lots of roots and stumps. In some spots the sand was so chewed up you could have poked a stick 12-14" into the ground easily. In the deepest sand I had to be careful not to push the 270. It went sideways on me a few times, the best one was right at a spectator station! Hopefully Mrs. Brooklyn Bum, who had a video camera, got it on tape. Tumu used K760 trackmasters on his KTM, and the traction from these was amazing (he had better sense than to enter on a KLR). They were so confidence-inspiring that he really picked up the pace at the start. Apparently a couple of trees on the course took exception to this, and punched the KTM hard enough to make it puke out all the coolant. Race over. I might try the K760 if they last OK on pavement. They seem to be a superior tire to the MT21, offroad at least. Cheap too. Devon Zachariah Mully wrote:

> > Umh, speaking from personal experience, Gripsters and deep sand don't > mix I did the Meteor DS ride two years ago on Gripsters and paid for > it. > > As for K270's being slick when wet, I dunno about that. Last week when > it was raining here in DC, I took the KLR out to practice my wet braking > and turning. Probably one of the first times I've pushed the K270 on wet > pavement and I was very impressed with it (for a knobby). It had very > predictable behavior in turns and even while doing emergency stops, it > never broke loose... though that could be attributed to my KLX brakes > and not the tire. > > The tire is scary when NEW. Once you scrub it in, I think it performs at > least at 80% of a Gripster in most catagories except perhaps noise and > life. When you get Gripsters warmed up silly lean angles and peg > dragging is very easy, but I wouldn't *expect* that out of knobbies, so > slightly lesser performance in the corners is entirely acceptable out of > the K270's. > > My only real gripe about the K270's is that 3.25 front on mine makes the > front end steer waay heavy. 3.00's are probably the best comprimise IMO > unless you're doing a ton of sand. > > Z > > On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 13:37, Devon Jarvis wrote: > > What do people expect from a knobby tire on a wet paved road? I am using > > a K270 front, and I think it works great on the street FOR A KNOBBY. On > > wet pavement or dry, it slides very predictably and always gives a lot > > of warning by squirming and "walking" a bit to the outside. Of course it > > breaks traction before a street tire. Duh. > > > > How's a gripster at 40mph in deep sand? > > > > Devon > > > > ATO137528@... wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/2002 11:54:29 AM Central Standard Time, > > > TLrydr@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > grip > > > > of the kendas is poor compared to more street 80/20 tire. >> > > > > > > > > Just installed my 325-21 Kenda., and this is the 1st > > > > negative > > > > post on the Kenda i heard, It better have good grip, I like to scrap a peg > > > > sometimes playing around, > > > > > > You're much more likely to scrape your ass than a peg...not counting your > > > beloved KLR sliding down the road without you. I've said it before, only to > > > be flamed, that the Kendas are great off-road, but can't be trusted on > > > pavement. God forbid it be WET. For puttering around like someone's > > > grandmother (which I do sometimes) ANY tire is ok. BUT, if you plan to ride > > > aggressively and put a load on the sidewall knobs, your gonna' soil yourself. > > > Be careful. > > > > > > Lamar > > > A14 (used up the Kendas and have TKC-80's now) > > >

[Zachariah Mully]

Damn Devon! You're one brave soul... I actually would have reversed your tire choice, MT21 up front and K270 out back. I really like the 270 out back, but like you said, the front has *no* sidewall rigidity and so you can't run them real low, below 18 psi and I was having sidewall roll as well last October. Those MT21's have a very strong sidewall and you could probably run that at 10psi without any problems. I have a spare set of KLR bars that I am going to trim down, they're far too wide stock for stuff like that. If I remember the sections of that enduro that we rode in October that must have been large pucker factors for some of those trails. Will have to pick up a set of K760's for the Shenandoah 500 and the like, if the front is stiff that the K270, then it might be my tire of choice. Z

On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 14:23, Devon Jarvis wrote: > I rode my KLR in the Sandy Lane enduro yesterday (1/2 of it anyway), so > the deep sand issue is fresh in my head. > > I used a K270 front and an MT21 rear. The MT was excellent. The 270 was > OK, but as Zack knows yesterday could be considered extreme conditions > for a KLR. 40 miles until I houred out and quit. 30 of which were > single-track woods trails, 5 were whooped double track, 5 were fire > roads. 10 miles of the woods trails were littered with trees closer > together than my bars are wide every 30 yards or closer. All of it was > littered with deep sand, including ruts over my footpegs and lots of > roots and stumps. In some spots the sand was so chewed up you could have > poked a stick 12-14" into the ground easily. > > In the deepest sand I had to be careful not to push the 270. It went > sideways on me a few times, the best one was right at a spectator > station! Hopefully Mrs. Brooklyn Bum, who had a video camera, got it on > tape. > > Tumu used K760 trackmasters on his KTM, and the traction from these was > amazing (he had better sense than to enter on a KLR). They were so > confidence-inspiring that he really picked up the pace at the start. > Apparently a couple of trees on the course took exception to this, and > punched the KTM hard enough to make it puke out all the coolant. Race > over. > > I might try the K760 if they last OK on pavement. They seem to be a > superior tire to the MT21, offroad at least. Cheap too. > > Devon >

[Devon Jarvis]

Zack, When is the Shenandoah 500? Is it a timed event or just a D/S ride? I have a brother in law who lives near the Fairfax CO Gov't center, maybe I can "arrange" a visit. The MT21 front looks like a better tire than the K270 for dirt. But, for the street if I'm not going to have good tires then I at least want the front to stick better than the back. It's easier to oversteer than understeer, and I am better at saving back-wheel slides. The tightest woods trails on Sunday were a lot worse than the token tight sections on the D/S Sandy Lane ride last October, but remember I only rode Sunday (the easier day I'm told). Also, it was mile after mile of the tight stuff. Sometimes the smaller of two trees was thin enough I could punch it with the handguard and get by without stopping. Sometimes I guessed wrong. The sections that were like the trails in the D/S ride I could really get a rhythm going, using second gear and railing the turns. This was almost relaxing compared to the tightest stuff since I kept up my speed and didn't have to use the clutch 1,000 times every mile. Devon Zachariah Mully wrote:

> > Damn Devon! You're one brave soul... > > I actually would have reversed your tire choice, MT21 up front and K270 > out back. I really like the 270 out back, but like you said, the front > has *no* sidewall rigidity and so you can't run them real low, below 18 > psi and I was having sidewall roll as well last October. Those MT21's > have a very strong sidewall and you could probably run that at 10psi > without any problems. > > I have a spare set of KLR bars that I am going to trim down, they're far > too wide stock for stuff like that. If I remember the sections of that > enduro that we rode in October that must have been large pucker factors > for some of those trails. > > Will have to pick up a set of K760's for the Shenandoah 500 and the > like, if the front is stiff that the K270, then it might be my tire of > choice. > > Z > > On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 14:23, Devon Jarvis wrote: > > I rode my KLR in the Sandy Lane enduro yesterday (1/2 of it anyway), so > > the deep sand issue is fresh in my head. > > > > I used a K270 front and an MT21 rear. The MT was excellent. The 270 was > > OK, but as Zack knows yesterday could be considered extreme conditions > > for a KLR. 40 miles until I houred out and quit. 30 of which were > > single-track woods trails, 5 were whooped double track, 5 were fire > > roads. 10 miles of the woods trails were littered with trees closer > > together than my bars are wide every 30 yards or closer. All of it was > > littered with deep sand, including ruts over my footpegs and lots of > > roots and stumps. In some spots the sand was so chewed up you could have > > poked a stick 12-14" into the ground easily. > > > > In the deepest sand I had to be careful not to push the 270. It went > > sideways on me a few times, the best one was right at a spectator > > station! Hopefully Mrs. Brooklyn Bum, who had a video camera, got it on > > tape. > > > > Tumu used K760 trackmasters on his KTM, and the traction from these was > > amazing (he had better sense than to enter on a KLR). They were so > > confidence-inspiring that he really picked up the pace at the start. > > Apparently a couple of trees on the course took exception to this, and > > punched the KTM hard enough to make it puke out all the coolant. Race > > over. > > > > I might try the K760 if they last OK on pavement. They seem to be a > > superior tire to the MT21, offroad at least. Cheap too. > > > > Devon > >

[mmcmu11en]

I really like the 270 out back, but like you said, the front

> has *no* sidewall rigidity and so you can't run them real low,

below 18

> psi and I was having sidewall roll as well last October. Those

MT21's

> have a very strong sidewall and you could probably run that at 10psi > without any problems. >

Replaced my Bridgestone TW-22's for a pair of Kenda 270's last weekend. Not sure what air pressure to use. Bridgestone's were at 21psi front and rear and seemed fine. What air pressure do you normally run for street/dirt in the Kenda's.? Thanks, Mark Mc

[Zachariah Mully]

Mark- If I remember correctly, I was/am running f/r 32/34 street and 20/15 heavy sand/off-road. I haven't had them on long enough to give you any report as to how the tire wear is, but in the sand, with the 3.25, it ran better at 20psi than at 15psi. Z

On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 15:31, mmcmu11en wrote: > I really like the 270 out back, but like you said, the front > > has *no* sidewall rigidity and so you can't run them real low, > below 18 > > psi and I was having sidewall roll as well last October. Those > MT21's > > have a very strong sidewall and you could probably run that at 10psi > > without any problems. > > > > Replaced my Bridgestone TW-22's for a pair of Kenda 270's last > weekend. Not sure what air pressure to use. Bridgestone's were at > 21psi front and rear and seemed fine. What air pressure do you > normally run for street/dirt in the Kenda's.? > Thanks, > Mark Mc