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[Michael Silverstein]

Those who are interested enough in politics to follow this thread might also be interested in this: http://www.fit2vote.com From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russell Scott Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:33 AM To: KListeRs Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR McCain is all tip and no iceberg. He's not intelligent. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Russell Scott]

My final NKLR election coverage comment until the next NKLR eruption of interest, which I will try to add my 2 cents, and not ruin too much of your day. Obama supporter David Frum said of Obama's July European tour: "Obama has risen to power by using a soothing cloud of meaningless words to conceal displeasing truths and avoid difficult choices." If Evita Peron Obama is the next President, I purpose we all sing these lyrics on inauguration day. I'm their savior, that's what they call me Please, gentle Barack, will you bless a little child? For I love you, tell Heaven I'm doing my best I'm praying for you, even though you're already blessed Instead of government we had a stage Instead of ideas, a prima donna's rage Instead of help we were given a crowd She didn't say much, but she said it loud. I promise you this We will take the riches from the oligarchs Only for you, for all of you And one day, you too will inherit these treasures. Barack's pretty hands reached out and they reached wide Now you may feel it should have been a voluntary cause But that's not the point my friends When the money keeps rolling in, you don't ask how Think of all the people guaranteed a good time now.... And the money kept rolling out in all directions To the poor, to the weak, to the destitute of all complexions Now cynics claim a little of the cash has gone astray But that's not the point my friends When the money keeps rolling out you don't keep books You can tell you've done well by the happy grateful looks Accountants only slow things down, figures get in the way Never been a President loved as much as Barack Obama. How annoying that they have to fight elections for their cause The inconvenience, having to get a majority If normal methods of persuasion fail to win them applause There are other ways of establishing authority Courtesty of American Thinker, and Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Reverend]

I don't think invisible friends have much of a sway in elections - though those who believe in them seem to. THAT is the truly dangerous part. We've forgotten too much of our founding fathers who wanted no part of religion, particularly not when it came to this country.

> -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of Chromatech1 > > >>>>>Frank, Your omnipotent God doesn't have control over elections? > Clearly you "believe in America" so, if it's your God does cause harm > to America, would you believe in the death of your God too?

[revmaaatin]

> > I don't think invisible friends have much of a sway in elections -

though

> those who believe in them seem to. THAT is the truly dangerous

part.

> > We've forgotten too much of our founding fathers who wanted no part

of

> religion, particularly not when it came to this country. >

Oh, please. May we have some more Kool-Aid? Forgotten? I would suggest that it was never taught correctly, or deliberately hidden from the 'we'--but not from those who are willing to read more than their 7th grade propaganda. Try this on for size: http://www.amazon.com/Light-Glory-Peter-Marshall-Manuel/dp/0800750543 and a short AMAZON review--just to peak your interest. For those of us who, like the authors, have been exposed mostly to the secular accounts of this period of American history, the information presented becomes a revelation of very great magnitude. ... This book is important. I would that every professing Christian read Gods Holy Bible and this book. There are, of a surety, better and more comprehensive histories than this, but I would recommend none more highly to introduce the student to our Christian American roots as pertains to our beginnings on these shores. -- Christian Forum Book Review Yes, I have read this book, twice. I suggest that you read it as well-- It is well documented (=footnotes, sources quoted) from the writings and thoughts recorded by the founding fathers--unlike some of the NKLR kool aid drinkers often found here. revmaaatin.

[Reverend]

Fair enough - so maybe we need to ensure that all our kids are TAUGHT that the US has its beginnings in secularism and was founded by people who had in fresh memory what religion will do to people - little things like the inquisition and stuff. They knew what happened with letting church and state co-mingle and wanted to create a country free of that sort of evil tyranny. The problem, like you say, is the 7th grade propaganda - we're all taught things like "one nation, under god" like it was written that way, rather than a shifty addition. Incumbents throwing around things like "God bless America" like manifest destiny is still something we believe in. On the flip-side, it seems that (parts of) Europe has learned more from its, at times, shameful history and religion has taken a back seat to science, fact, compassion and history. They've eaten from the tree of knowledge, to use a popular metaphor, and found that the chains of religion snapped and life can be so much better than slavery to tyranny.

> -----Original Message----- > Behalf Of revmaaatin > > We've forgotten too much of our founding fathers who wanted no part > >of religion, particularly not when it came to this country. > > > > > Oh, please. > May we have some more Kool-Aid? > > Forgotten? I would suggest that it was never taught correctly, or > deliberately hidden from the 'we'--but not from those who are willing > to read more than their 7th grade propaganda.

[jt5231@hotmail.com]

To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com From: russell@... Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:00:27 -0800 Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR McCain is all tip and no iceberg. He's not intelligent. My final NKLR election coverage comment until the next NKLR eruption of interest, which I will try to add my 2 cents, and not ruin too much of your day. Obama supporter David Frum said of Obama's July European tour: "Obama has risen to power by using a soothing cloud of meaningless words to conceal displeasing truths and avoid difficult choices." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Frum, the former Bush speech writer who helped develop the phrase, "Axis of Evil," is no Obama supporter. He's been critical of the highly negative tone of the McCain campaign, but is backing McCain. So Frum's own cloud of meaningless words re. Obama's July trip should be seen in that context. Although "a burst of gas" would be a better metaphor... JT _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[albatrossklr]

What great & evil deeds has man wrought with the statement "God is with us"..... albatross who finds all this interesting....

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > I don't think invisible friends have much of a sway in elections - > though > > those who believe in them seem to. THAT is the truly dangerous > part. > > > > We've forgotten too much of our founding fathers who wanted no part > of > > religion, particularly not when it came to this country. > > > > > Oh, please. > May we have some more Kool-Aid? > > Forgotten? I would suggest that it was never taught correctly, or > deliberately hidden from the 'we'--but not from those who are willing > to read more than their 7th grade propaganda. > > Try this on for size: > > http://www.amazon.com/Light-Glory-Peter-Marshall- Manuel/dp/0800750543 > > and a short AMAZON review--just to peak your interest. > > For those of us who, like the authors, have been exposed mostly to > the secular accounts of this period of American history, the > information presented becomes a revelation of very great > magnitude. ... This book is important. I would that every professing > Christian read Gods Holy Bible and this book. There are, of a surety, > better and more comprehensive histories than this, but I would > recommend none more highly to introduce the student to our Christian > American roots as pertains to our beginnings on these shores. -- > Christian Forum Book Review > > > Yes, I have read this book, twice. > > I suggest that you read it as well-- > > It is well documented (=footnotes, sources quoted) from the writings > and thoughts recorded by the founding fathers--unlike some of the > NKLR kool aid drinkers often found here. > > revmaaatin. >

[grbhfng]

Everybody has to believe in something...I believe I'll have another beer ! I personally like Ben Franklins take on God... " Beer is proof that God loves us, and wants us to be happy. "

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, albatrossklr wrote: From: albatrossklr Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR McCain is all tip and no iceberg. He's not intelligent. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 8:05 AM What great & evil deeds has man wrought with the statement "God is with us"..... albatross who finds all this interesting. ... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > I don't think invisible friends have much of a sway in elections - > though > > those who believe in them seem to. THAT is the truly dangerous > part. > > > > We've forgotten too much of our founding fathers who wanted no part > of > > religion, particularly not when it came to this country. > > > > > Oh, please. > May we have some more Kool-Aid? > > Forgotten? I would suggest that it was never taught correctly, or > deliberately hidden from the 'we'--but not from those who are willing > to read more than their 7th grade propaganda. > > Try this on for size: > > http://www.amazon com/Light- Glory-Peter- Marshall- Manuel/dp/080075054 3 > > and a short AMAZON review--just to peak your interest. > > For those of us who, like the authors, have been exposed mostly to > the secular accounts of this period of American history, the > information presented becomes a revelation of very great > magnitude. ... This book is important. I would that every professing > Christian read Gods Holy Bible and this book. There are, of a surety, > better and more comprehensive histories than this, but I would > recommend none more highly to introduce the student to our Christian > American roots as pertains to our beginnings on these shores. -- > Christian Forum Book Review > > > Yes, I have read this book, twice. > > I suggest that you read it as well-- > > It is well documented (=footnotes, sources quoted) from the writings > and thoughts recorded by the founding fathers--unlike some of the > NKLR kool aid drinkers often found here. > > revmaaatin. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Paul]

Well not religion, but our country is very much founded on a christian faith in an almighty Creator. To say they didn't want anything to do with religion really is not completely true. And that famous "separation of church and state" so many people like to quote was a letter, not in the Constitution. It refered to not having an organized State religion like they had left in Europe. They wanted people to be free to practice their beliefs without government mandating a certain way. This has been so misused over the years! Sincerely

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Reverend" wrote: > > I don't think invisible friends have much of a sway in elections - though > those who believe in them seem to. THAT is the truly dangerous part. > > We've forgotten too much of our founding fathers who wanted no part of > religion, particularly not when it came to this country. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Behalf Of Chromatech1 > > > > >>>>>Frank, Your omnipotent God doesn't have control over elections? > > Clearly you "believe in America" so, if it's your God does cause harm > > to America, would you believe in the death of your God too? >

[aphampton628]

Been thinking about picking up one of these for a project. Any experience or thoughts? TIA Alan