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Tony JONES
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Post by Tony JONES » Tue Jun 01, 2004 11:16 am

> I've talked with friends in > New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma who have this same tire changer and all of > us agree the long bar is next to worthless.
I missed the original thread: I did my KLR tires using the Harbor Freight. Pretty easy and I didn't use any lube. Bead breaker is great but you need 2 2x4's to set the tire on. Mount/demount tool (long bar) is excellent for dismounting, it will do the whole tire (I just dismounted a 160/60, twice in fact). Using it for mounting is harder, but a lot of it is technique, keeping the opposing side of the bead low on the rim. So far I can only use it to mount about 50%, have to use irons for the remainder. Use old milk bottles cut up for rim protectors and occasionally some simple green solution as a lube. Mostly the instructions are really crap. Each time I use it after 6 months of not doing it, I have to mentally contort myself to understand them, I should take some pics next time. The other thing I don't like about it is the rim grips, they are too narrow for modern sportbike rims. Would take like 2 hours of design effort to make this a much better product :) I have to do a 180 and my dual disk front this week, we'll see how well that goes, hehehe. Tony

butch278@webtv.net
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Post by butch278@webtv.net » Tue Jun 01, 2004 5:43 pm

Thanks guys for the info on the Harbor Freight tire changer and the problems and solutions you experienced. I had the rest of the bead finished at a local bike shop while I am regrouping and re lagging the thing to the floor, since I pulled it out while wrestling the beggar. Still intending to use it after I obtain the proper tools. Butch A 16

Doug Pippin
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Post by Doug Pippin » Tue Jun 01, 2004 10:46 pm

Tony I purchased one of the Harbor Freight tire changers. I put a couple of layers of duct tape in the clamps that hold the wheel (the ones that were installed backwards) I have mine bolted onto a big piece of 3/4 plywood. I may bolt it to the floor once I decide where the permanent place is but for now the plywood works great. The bead breaker works great. The problem I had with the changer was that the long tire iron (tire remover and installer) is made of metal and scratches the wheels. I experimented with taping plastic to the ends with limited success. If the plastic would stay in place it would solve the scratching problem. I called Wikco (a company in Arizona that makes a tire changer similar to the Harbor Freight model for about $400) and asked if I could buy just the tire iron they sell with their changer that has plastic inserts in the ends but they will not sell them separately. The reason they told me that their changer was being copied my a Chinese outfit. If you look at the Harbor Freight and the Wikco tire changers they look identical. I looked at a friends Coats 220 that had plastic inserts on the ends of the tire iron. He had extra ends and gave me a set to try. They would not fit on the Harbor Freight tire iron. So I called a company in Florida (Precision Manufacturing) that sells the Coats 220 and ordered the tire iron for that model. The plastic ends now work perfectly because they are made for the tire iron and you can buy replacement plastic protectors if you damage them. So now I have $180 invested in my tire changer. Still better than $400 for the Wikco or $800 for a Coats 220. BTW Wikco also sells the Coats 220 Wikco http://www.wikco.com/Tablemc.html Wikco Tire Changer http://www.wikco.com/MC1101.html Wikco Coats 220 http://www.wikco.com/Coats2201.html Precision Manufacturing http://www.precisionmfgsales.com/ Precision Manufacturing catalog - Coats 220 is on page 19 http://www.precisionmfgsales.com/Motorcycle/Motorcycle%20Catalog.PDF Parts I bought were #40C tire iron $86.00 #39CL long iron protector $3.25 #39CS short protector $3.00 Shipping $9.59 Another source for a Coats 220 parts breakdown http://www.flandersco.com/Images/PDF/170-3-4-5-6-7-8.pdf Doug in NC At 12:32 PM 6/1/04, you wrote:
>Do you have a URL or model# for this Coates one. > >As I posted, I find the stock one fine for demount. Mounting is less >useful, but may just be a practice/technique issue. > >t
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Jeff Saline
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Post by Jeff Saline » Tue Jan 25, 2005 9:29 pm

KLR Listers, Thought I'd bring up a point I haven't seen made on this thread this time. When changing a tire, in the shop or on the trail, it's important to protect the brake rotor from sideways stresses. That means not laying the wheel rotor side down and not doing any prying against the rotor. It doesn't take much force to warp a rotor. One of the ways I've tried with good success is to sometimes carry the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket with me. It works as a drain pan for oil changes and collecting fluids. You can use it for a wash station for yourself or ??? And you can lay a wheel over it rotor side down protecting the rotor from damage. Best, Jeff Saline Airhead # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota '75 R90/6, '03 KLR650, '79 R100RT, '00 H-D MT-500

Murray Dochstader
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Post by Murray Dochstader » Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:58 am

Here is a tip - obvious, but sometimes overlooked. When applying lube to a tire you are installing, it is important to make sure some of it (the lube) is smeared to the INSIDE of the bead. While lube on the outside aids in "seating" the tire, lube on the inside helps the bead slide over the rim - especially the last couple of inches of the rim. Murray Dochstader B.C. Canada.

Douglas Bouley
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Post by Douglas Bouley » Wed May 02, 2007 9:47 am

Pray for me, Brethren and "Sistren". I'm gonna try to do my first tire change. "Louise" picked up her second nail in 3 months in the rear. The first time, I had the shop come get her and fix it. Hey, I was sick, what can I say? This time, I've decided to bite the bullet and learn how to do it. Because the rear tire is due for replacement anyway, I've decided to not just patch the tube. New K-270 and Fly HD tube is on the way from Fred (he is a few bucks - not many - higher than a couple other places, but by the time you factor in shipping there is not enough difference to justify forgoing his excellent service!). I wish I already had a center stand, but I can't afford one just now, so I'll have to make do. Also, I will have to work in a parking lot, so this will be a good warm-up for a roadside repair. Will try to find something shaped like a milk crate, but could use a little more advice re the idea of propping with a stick opposite the kick stand. I've read posts about it, but don't quite get how to do it. I still haven't put my HT bash plate on, so I don't have that heavy-duty spot to prop. I ordered the Motion Pro combo tire iron/axle wrench set (front & rear), plus a set of the lovely Cruz irons. That gives me 4 levers to hopefully ease the pain a bit. I already have a portable electric air pump. Oops: I forgot to order a bead breaker! Gotta call Fred and see if I can do an add-on real quick... I figure on using Dawn/warm water for lube. I am starting to review the Clymer, Jay's video and the tire changing links at the KLR FAQ to try to get some idea what I'm doing, What else? Suggestions, prayers and so forth most welcomed. I am not much of a wrench, to say the least... doug in dc

grufrude
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Post by grufrude » Wed May 02, 2007 11:06 am

That gives me 4 levers to hopefully
> ease the pain a bit. I already have a portable electric air pump.
Oops:
> I forgot to order a bead breaker! Gotta call Fred and see if I can
do an
> add-on real quick... I figure on using Dawn/warm water for lube. >
Doug, Had my first flat on my brand-new KLR last weekend at 390 miles on the odo, 100 miles up into the mountains in an old mining camp -- picked up a 3-inch nail in the rear tire. I levered the bike up onto an old washtub that was lying around and (very luckily) found a plastic 5- gallon bucket to hold the wheel while I worked on it. My tube had 8 holes in in and I used up every patch I had (and had to cut a couple in half to cover them all). I got the bike out of the mountains, but it was a near thing . . . Based on my recent experience, I wouldn't worry much about a bead breaker -- compared to the big street bikes I'm used to, the tire comes off the KLR rim quite easily. Lay the tire/wheel on a five gallon plastic bucket, take the valve out of the stem and I'd bet you can simply pry the tire down from the rim easily with the levers. The secret to getting the tire off the rim is to make sure that you have the bead of the tire OPPOSITE the tire levers squished down into the CENTER of the rim -- that way you have the most 'slack' in the bead you are levering over the rim. I recommend AGAINT dish washing liquid -- that stuff can corrode the rims. Get a bottle of Murphy's Oil Soap (a flax seed oil soap) from your local grocery/discount store in the household cleaners section and dilute that for lube. That is essentially the same stuff that RuGlyde (real tire lube sold at NAPA) is made of and it works real well. Dust the tube and the inside of the tire with talc (baby powder will work well as long as it is TALC, not cornstarch -- check the ingredient label) and put just enough air in the tube that it holds its shape BEFORE you try to put it in the tire. Place the rim back on the five gallow plastic bucket, make sure the tire is WARM (warm = flexible = GOOD), make sure the rotation arrow is pointing the right way, lightly lube the rim and tire and work the tire onto the rim, remembering to keep the bead in the center of the rim to give you the slack to make sliding that last bit of bead over the edge of the rim as easy as possible. Once you have one side on the rim, put your slightly inflated, talc-dusted tube into the tire and insert the valve stem into the hole in the rim, making sure the tube is seated fully into the tire without any pinches, wrinkles or folds. Almost done, but here is where you MUST be careful. You need to get the tire over the rim WITHOUT pinching the tube (which will perforate it), so pay attention to what you are doing and work slowly and in SMALL steps. I always work TOWARDS the stem when seating the tire. Lube the rim and bead, then slide the tire over the rim on the side opposite the stem and, watching to be sure you don't catch and pinch the tube, push as much of the tire over the rim as you can just using your hands. Remember to keep the beads squished together in the CENTER of the rim to give yourself as much slack as possible. Once you have got much of the tire mounted as possible with hand pressure, CAREFULLY, using the straight side of your tire irons, start prying the bead over the rim. Use as little of the lever as you can -- you don't want to be poking into the tube or piching the tube between the lever and the rim as you lever the bead over the rim. It really helps to have four hands at this stage -- a couple of hands to keep the already-mounted beads squished together in the center of the rim, and a couple of hands to work the levers GRADUALLY toward toward the stem. Right at the end you'll find yourself with your knees bracing/balancing the rim under you while you are JUST about ready for the last bit of bead to snap/slide over the rim next to the valve stem and you'll be terrified that you are about to pinch the tube just as you are almost done. THAT'S why I work toward the stem -- at this last moment, I push the stem into the rim just a bit to provide that little bit of clearance as I lever that last section of bead over the rim and into place. Once the tire is in place, pull the stem all the way back out and air up the tire, making sure the bead is seated evenly all the way around the rim. Generally there is a little raised line all the way around each side of the tire next to the rim that allows you to see that the tire has seated evenly. I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions on the procedure; this is just the way I've done it for the last forty-three years, but you know the saying about old dogs and new tricks. Good luck and remember: take your time, take small bites with your tire levers, and don't let yourself get frustrated. Slow, calm, and steady gets the tire mounted right. Hugh Kenny Cheyenne Wyoming

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Post by tstephenson@cox.net » Wed May 02, 2007 11:07 am

I figure on using Dawn/warm water for lube.
> > I am starting to review the Clymer, Jay's video and the tire changing > links at the KLR FAQ to try to get some idea what I'm doing, >
windex works very well for lubricating the tire. It is more slippery (slipperier?) than you would think.

Jeff Saline
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Post by Jeff Saline » Wed May 02, 2007 2:54 pm

On Wed, 02 May 2007 16:04:39 -0000 "grufrude" writes:
> Doug, > > Had my first flat on my brand-new KLR last weekend at 390 miles on > the > odo, 100 miles up into the mountains in an old mining camp -- picked > > up a 3-inch nail in the rear tire. I levered the bike up onto an > old > washtub that was lying around and (very luckily) found a plastic 5- > gallon bucket to hold the wheel while I worked on it. My tube had > 8 > holes in in and I used up every patch I had (and had to cut a couple > > in half to cover them all). I got the bike out of the mountains, > but > it was a near thing . . .
SNIP SNIP SNIP
> Hugh Kenny > Cheyenne Wyoming
<><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><> Hugh, Bummer about your punctures last week. I feel pretty bad as yesterday I was looking at my air compressor and noticed the air demagnetizer was turned off. I'm thinking that when you and Dan filled your tires here a few weeks ago you got quite a bit of magnetized air and that probably attracted the large nail. If it had only been a couple of psi from my compressor I'm thinking you would have been ok as it wouldn't attract a 3 inch nail. If I recall correctly the dealer had checked your tire pressures before you picked up the bike. What he failed to do was adjust them above the 15 psi they held. So I'm guessing you got close to about 20 psi of magnetized air in each tire. Anyway, I turned the air demagnetizer on yesterday and purged the compressor tank. I'm also gonna be changing the air in all my equipment since I don't know how long the demagnetizer was turned off. Glad you had enough patches. That's a pretty good story. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

Norm Keller
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Post by Norm Keller » Wed May 02, 2007 9:25 pm

Jeff posted: "Anyway, I turned the air demagnetizer on yesterday and purged the compressor tank." Another tip is to have the tire deflated when installing the tire and wheel onto the bike. The reason is that the tire is much lighter without that 30 pounds of air. (running for cover) Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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