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[Moose]

The first time you go bike caming, just sleep commando style. A military ponch, small roll out mat and a wad of clothes for a pillow. After that ANYTHING you buy that is an upgrade will be like staying at the Hilton. Moose Jim Priest wrote:

On 3/19/07, Jeff Saline wrote: > > at bringing your own stove fuel? I look at the the 500ml fuel bottle Don't they make stoves that run of unleaded gas? That would seem ideal on the KLR since you usually have gas to spare... That said - I haven't done much bike camping but would like to do more... Does anyone use a cot or hammock to sleep in? Last few times I slept on the ground - even with a Thermarest - my bones were creakin the next morning I've seen some neat hammock/tents but they of course depend on trees being present... Jim --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

Ross, see if you can't find a copy of "The Complete Motorcycle Nomad" by Roger Lovin. Written sometime in the late sixties or early seventies, and long since out of print, it is still the best book I have read on all aspects of motorcycle touring and camping. Technology and advancing age have made some of it out of date, but there is no better place to start.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:23:35 -0000 "Ross Lindberg" > writes: > > Here's a question for you guys. I've been thinking about taking some > > > > overnight trips on my KLR. I've been looking at tents. I'm not in > > the > > market for an expensice Aerostich tent, my budget runs more to the > > Wally-World, Kame Apart, Target line of products. Any advice on > > camping gear for motorcycle trips? What all should I bring with, > > and > > what to leave home. I'm planning on one or two night stays away > > from > > home so it's not like I'm going to Alaska. I wish I could though, > > sounds like a fun trip. Any input is appreciated. > > > > Ross Lindberg > > Fertile, MN > > Oakdale, CA > <><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><> > > Ross, > > Here are some quick ramblings on camping gear that come to mind from the > Great Divide Ride (Canada to Mexico on the continental divide) in 2004 > and De Tour (six states in 17 days) 2006. > > My best advice is to get the best you can afford for now but to get > something. Use it and learn from it and then get better when you need > to. But don't wait for a year to get something just to get the very best > if it'll keep you from camping this year. I've been soaking wet in a > Korean War Marine pup tent with my Dad and brother. (I still have that > tent by the way but don't use it any more) We were pretty wet but laugh > about it now. If we didn't have that tent we wouldn't have been camping. > Oh, and that was also using cotton sleeping bags. So get something to > use and figure out what works or doesn't work for you and get better when > and if you need better. An overnight camping trip is much different than > a three week ride-about. > > In no particular order... > > - sleeping bag. I used a synthetic bag but would/will probably change to > a Wiggys summer bag for my next trip. It's nice/best if it packs small > and you can carry a light fleece blanket to use as extra covering. Use a > compression sack to keep it small and make sure it's carried in a > waterproof bag. > > - air mattress. I've been using one from Eddie Bauer for a few years. > Comes with a self contained air pump and uses 4 D batteries. Takes up a > bit of space but I've never slept as good camping as when using this air > mattress. I got mine at Target a few years ago for about $45. I saw the > same mattress for sale at Sears for a similar price last summer. I think > it has what looks like a swiss flag emblem on the box. It's probably > heavier than bulkier than a thermorest but I know it's way more > comfortable until you get into cold temps. Carry a tube of GOOP and or a > patch kit and make sure you really have it with you. On De Tour my > mattress got two leaks after three years of use. Once patched it worked > great again. > > - tent. Mine is a four season dome tent I've own for over 22 years and > originally got when I was doing a lot of mountaineering in the alps. > It's for 2-3 persons and works great for me and all my gear including the > inflated air mattress. Last year I looked at tents and got one that was > a monster and ended up giving it to my brother. It just packed way too > big. Then Steve and I looked for a tent for me at REI in NM at the end > of De Tour. I didn't find one with a foot print I liked and since it was > at the end of De Tour it wasn't a priority. But I suggest you consider a > 3 person, 3 season tent that packs small and weighs less than 9 pounds. > That's what I'll be going with probably when it becomes important to me > again. Steve uses a 3 season tent and has never had an issue with water > intrusion and we've been in some pretty good wind and rain situations. > > - chair. I use a Kermit chair. It costs about $130 or so and I got it > at a great deal used. It packs fairly small and is really comfortable. > I only used it maybe 3 times on the GDR but on De Tour Steve and I made a > point of stopping early enough most evenings to enjoy a sit and visit. > The inexpensive folding fabric and aluminum tube chairs you can get at > places like Wally World seem to work well too but I'd make sure it packed > short enough so it didn't stick way out on the sides when on the bike. > > - stove. I used a stove I've had for about 28 years. It's white gas > only but I'm pretty sure I could make it work with gasoline. It's like > an old friend and has never let me down so it's not on the replacement > list. It packs small and the fuel container is part of the stove. I > don't carry extra fuel with me as you can almost always find a camping > store with an open container where they'll sell you as much fuel as you > need. In Moab last summer the shop let me top off the stove and then > said I didn't take enough to make it worth selling to me. If you're in a > camp ground you can probably buy/mooch some fuel off of the family that's > using white gas for their family stove. They'll like a bit of a story as > you top off the little container. Even if it costs you a buck it seems > better to me than to drag along an extra bottle of fuel you'll probably > never really need. > > - water container. Steve and I both drag along a hydration system like a > camelback. They are strapped on the bikes and we drink regularly during > the day. We also pay attention to where we're going and make sure they > stay topped off. Along with the hydration system we both carry a bottle > or two of water. I have a quart size wide mouth bottle that really works > well at dinner time for cooking chores. We also usually have a bottle > from some gatorade or similar drink that we fill with water after we've > emptied the original contents. Water isn't much of an issue on some > trips but we've gone a full day in hot weather without seeing any place > to get water or fuel. I'd rather carry extra water than wish I did. > Steve and I were never refuse water for our bags or bottles at stores > where we got fuel, restaurants or fast food joints where we ate or at > campgrounds. We did make it a point to not make a mess with our filling > procedures. > > - waterproof luggage. I use Ortlieb dry saddlebags for storing most of > my junk. They are easy on and off and are very durable and waterproof if > properly closed (which is easy). I tried an Ortlieb waterproof duffel > but the zipper doesn't seem to work very well when it's packed full. So > last year I bought a different waterproof duffel from that company in > Cheyenne WY. I don't remember the name of the company or the item > number. But it was posted on the list here so search for duffel maybe 15 > months ago might get you the info. It works well and I keep my sleeping > bag and air mattress in it. They are always dry. > > - clothes pins. I carry a few clothes pins on my bike luggage to hold an > airhead flag and also to use when drying socks or underwear over night. > They're handy and don't seem to take up much room. > > - flashlight. I use a mini mag flashlight that uses two AA batteries. I > keep one in my tent in a side pocket and one in my tank bag. I know > right where they are so they are handy and easy to use. They use the > same size batteries as my GPS. > > - camp shoes. Someone mentioned camp shoes. On De Tour I brought some > old beat up slip on docker type shoes. They're comfortable and take up > little room. And at night they are really handy when you need to find a > bush at 3 in the morning. > > - zip lock type storage bags. I like to pack a lot of my stuff in gallon > size zip lock storage type bags. Not so much for the waterproofness but > for the ease of locating stuff. This is from my military days when I was > packed to move on a moments notice. I can easily reach into a saddlebag > and pull out bags of stuff until I find what I'm looking for. I usually > put stuff I use a lot in my left saddlebag and stuff not used so much in > my right saddlebag. And if I have both open I'll transfer stuff back and > forth for a good balance. By the end of a 2-3 week trip I usually have a > pretty good system figured out. : ) > > - straps. I use some nylon strapping with two D type rings on one end > for most of my securing stuff to my bike. They are probably 5-6 feet > long. Ends can be tucked away after the straps are tightened. I also > use a few bungee cords (number one cause of eye loss in the US so be > careful. ok, maybe not the number one cause of eye loss but still be > careful) to secure stuff and as a belt and suspenders approach. And I > put a bungee net over the entire load just cause I have one. The bungee > net also gives Steve a place to tie wrappers from his snacks when I'm not > watching him. > > Guess that's it for now. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >

[David Marzullo]

That groovy frood really knows where his towel is. I always knew KLRistas consulted The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Jeff Saline wrote:

> One item I forgot to add to the camping gear list is a towel.

[Neil Doane]

* Jeff Saline (salinej1@...), on [03-19-07 08:24], wrote:

> - air mattress. I've been using one from Eddie Bauer for a few years. > Comes with a self contained air pump and uses 4 D batteries.

Highly Recommended, even if you don't use the air mattress! Coleman sells a similiar air pump on the cheap too. The best thing about camping with one of these is that it makes for an awesome portable air bellows for your fire; I've never used anything that can take the tiniest pile of embers and turn it into a roaring bonfire in just a few seconds like one of those pumps. I even carry mine when I'm camping out of my backpack. Another extremely useful camping item is 550 cord. http://www.lifeviewoutdoors.com/store/featured/550paracord.html http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1005/top10.shtml etc. etc. Neil

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:56:38 -0000 "Jud Jones" writes:

> Ross, see if you can't find a copy of "The Complete Motorcycle Nomad" > by Roger Lovin. > Written sometime in the late sixties or early seventies, and long > since out of print, it is still > the best book I have read on all aspects of motorcycle touring and > camping. Technology > and advancing age have made some of it out of date, but there is no > better place to start.

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Jud, That brings back some memories. I pulled my copy and see I paid $3.95 for it in 1974. That was over 2 hours of wages then. I've got the second printing. For those interested the ISBN is: 0-316-53355-6 0-316-53356-4 paperback And the publisher is/was Little, Brown and Company in association with Sports Illustrated Magazine. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Neil Doane]

* Jim Priest (klr650@...), on [03-19-07 12:18], wrote:

> On 3/19/07, Jeff Saline wrote: > > > at bringing your own stove fuel? I look at the the 500ml fuel bottle > > Don't they make stoves that run of unleaded gas? That would seem ideal > on the KLR since you usually have gas to spare... That said - I > haven't done much bike camping but would like to do more...

MSR has one that I've heard will burn just about anything combustable: http://www.msrcorp.com/stoves/xgk.asp Neil

> > Does anyone use a cot or hammock to sleep in? Last few times I slept > on the ground - even with a Thermarest - my bones were creakin the > next morning I've seen some neat hammock/tents but they of course > depend on trees being present... > > Jim > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:29:27 -0700 Neil Doane writes:

> * Jeff Saline (salinej1@...), on [03-19-07 08:24], wrote: > > - air mattress. I've been using one from Eddie Bauer for a few > years. > > Comes with a self contained air pump and uses 4 D batteries. > > Highly Recommended, even if you don't use the air mattress! > > Coleman sells a similiar air pump on the cheap too. The best thing > about > camping with one of these is that it makes for an awesome portable > air > bellows for your fire; I've never used anything that can take the > tiniest > pile of embers and turn it into a roaring bonfire in just a few > seconds > like one of those pumps. I even carry mine when I'm camping out of > my > backpack. > > > Another extremely useful camping item is 550 cord. > http://www.lifeviewoutdoors.com/store/featured/550paracord.html > http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1005/top10.shtml > etc. etc. > > > > > Neil

<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> Neil, The air pump in the Eddie Bauer air mattress is really self contained. As in it's part of the mattress. So no using it to crank up a fire. But that's one heck of an idea. If you're in the Black Hills please be especially careful with this idea and fires in general. We're having another very dry year and the fire danger is extremely high. Most of the time I'm on a trip I don't do fires just because of the fire danger. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Neil Doane]

* Jeff Saline (salinej1@...), on [03-19-07 13:44], wrote:

> Neil, > > The air pump in the Eddie Bauer air mattress is really self contained. > As in it's part of the mattress. So no using it to crank up a fire. But > that's one heck of an idea.

Ah, my bad. The way it was described with the 4D-sized batteries made me think maybe it was something like the one I use. http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5999E300

> If you're in the Black Hills please be > especially careful with this idea and fires in general. We're having > another very dry year and the fire danger is extremely high. Most of the > time I'm on a trip I don't do fires just because of the fire danger.

I live in Colorado, so I'm sure we share the same wariness of open flames. As with all campfires, everyone please use your head! That said, if you're camping and can safely have a campfire, try one of these pumps and you'll be amazed. Works in fireplaces too! Neil

[Michael Silverstein]

For me, rule #1 when camping is to not eat anything that needs to be prepared on the trail. No stove, no fuel, no forks, no pots, no pans, just Power Bars, Jerky, dried fruit, granola bars, and anything else that can go right from a package to my mouth without wasted time, space or energy preparing, cleaning, packing, etc. I suppose it would be different if I were catching my own food but since I'm not, I don't see the need to make extra work with food preparation when I'm out trying to have fun. Mike A18 -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil Doane Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:17 PM To: wiselp Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Camping Gear * wiselp (lo@perfect-cube. com), on [03-19-07 05:27], wrote:

> 4) Cooking gear. Doesn't need to be fancy, but the lighter the > better, I guess. I think you could easily go to K-Mart and pick up > something like Coleman. All you really need is a small pot, plate, > utensils and cup.

Two words: titanium spork. http://www.rei http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=4 0000008000&productId=4884577> com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&produ ctId=4884577 Neil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[David Giuliani]

I thought "white gas" is simply unleaded gas. At least, that's what it was called forty years ago.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:09:20 -0000 "Arden Kysely" > writes: > > Jeff, > > You'll carry a 9-pound tent and a pump with 4 D batteries, but balk > > > > at bringing your own stove fuel? I look at the the 500ml fuel bottle > > > > for my MSR Whisperlite as my 'final reserve tank' for the KLR. > > Modern, spacious 2-man tents that weigh less than 6 pounds can be > > had > > for $100-$200, and a little lung power fills my air mattress. I > > guess > > we all have our own ways to assemble a compact, lightweight, > > comfortable, bug-and-rain-free camp that lets us heat up soup at > > night and make coffee in the morning. One thing I've been > > experimenting with for basic water heating is an alcohol stove. You > > > > can make your own (Google 'cat stove' or 'alcohol backpack stove' or > > > > buy one from eBay). They weigh only an ounce or two and work pretty > > > > well if your keep your cooking simple. > > > > Happy Camping! > > > > __Arden > <><><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><><> > > Arden, > > I started laughing at your opening comment. : ) I'm not making a > compact or light camp when using the KLR. It's a lot more compact and > lightweight than if I'm using my Jeep... but I decided I don't need to > make it like I would if I was carrying it on my back. And it works great > for me in the environment I take my KLR. > > The reason I don't want to carry extra fuel is I don't use much fuel so I > can usually get some easily and never run out. On the GDR Bill filled my > stove when he had to leave so he carried the extra fuel. On De Tour I > got fuel at Moab. In both cases that was enough for the entire trip. I > don't cook a lot but did enjoy tea and a few hot meals. I kind of > decided that that takes up room I'd rather use for a tent, air mattress > with compressor and batteries etc. If I was going to need fuel I'd buy a > small MSR??? type container that I suppose holds about 2 cups of fuel. > And I'd wrap it in two zip lock bags lined with a paper towel. I don't > like fuel spills and speak from experience. On a side note: I really > monitor my fuel situation for the environment I'm in. I can't imagine > letting myself get in a situation where I was willing to run white gas in > my engine especially when it wouldn't be diluted by a bit of regular > fuel. Now I'd probably let you have my stove fuel for your bike if you > wanted it but not if you were riding with me. Fuel consumption is pretty > easy to calculate so I don't have much pity on folks that run out. I > have even less empathy for folks that put inappropriate chemicals in > machines causing damage. > > Oh, my tent doesn't weigh 9 pounds but I think that's the upper limit I'd > use for shopping for a tent. I put packed and set up size higher on my > list than weight. Since the tent would be used for more than just > motorcycle adventures it would have to be comfortable enough when housing > two on an adventure and that means lots more stuff if it's housing two. > : ) > > And the air mattress. Well, the air mattress is so comfortable I'd > probably give up some clothes if needed just to have it along. And since > I don't take much in the way of clothes that would just about mean taking > only the clothes I was wearing while riding. > > One item I forgot to add to the camping gear list is a towel. I use a > towel bought in the automotive section of Wally World. It's pretty small > (maybe 15" x 24"), comes in a plastic tube and is used for drying > vehicles after washing them. I don't wash or dry vehicles very often but > it's great at a campground shower for getting me really really dry. And > when you do laundry like underwear and socks you can roll them in the > towel and suck most of the moisture from them. When you wring that towel > dry it's very very dry. It also is pretty light and doesn't take up much > room. That's another item I wouldn't want to travel without. > > So... yup, nice tent and air mattress before extra fuel in most cases. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >