brake pads: who uses what

[Rick McCauley]

Why would you ride in someones blind spot? Rick A17 Gary wrote: More than once, careless cage jockeys that were in the process of changing lanes right into me heard my pipes and knew i was there even though i was in thier blind spot and they had not seen me. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[BLBacon]

>I think it pisses them off when I refer to the stock exhaust as sounding >like a "sewing machine." I should refrain from doing that. >After all, we have a certain fondness for our KLR's, and nobody likes >having >it equated with a sewing machine. >Even though it does sound like one.

ed A17 I like my KLR the way it sounds stock and I have 15,000 miles on it. I think it tis getting louder though, because when it was new I used to ride up on game on the trails all the time. Now they seem to alert faster. I'd like to get back to the new stack sound. You know like a sewing machine! Yea, that's they way I like it. Am I the only one? Brent

[DWakefield]

But they're so funny Bill! By the way - please note how this has been trimmed. David -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Ryder Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2005 3:06 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ethics and Bad Name Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (probably NKLR) Jesus Ch****. Okay, is this short enough for you: if there is anything you don't like about my posts, don't read them. -Bill --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "DWakefield" wrote:

> Pissed off with the length of your emails - trim them for f***

sake.

> > Dave >

[DWakefield]

Go to www.dictionary.com and look up pedantic. David -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Ryder Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2005 6:37 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ethics and Bad Name Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no jetting. Impossible? (probably NKLR) "Rap?" All Rap? So you know and state as a fact, that all Rap is vulgar and takes no talnet to produce? Okay now you're just depressing me. Do I actually live in this world? How about just letting people listen to what they want to without your judgiung them for it? Okay Rich, for real...you guys are just saying things to make me type now aren't you? I get it. You guys are more clever than I'm giving you credit for. No one can really still think the way you do...I hope. -Bill --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote:

> I understand your point, but even back then adults understood it

was music. Not their type, but it took talent. Rap is just vulgar, talentless, noise. Even new hardcore rock, or heavy metal is tolerable. I don't like it, but I can tolerate it. That rap stuff drives me nuts. Even some of my yonger buddies who listen to Heavy Metal don't like it.

[Rick McCauley]

I wouldn't say the sound of a KLR is great, but I do like it quiet. My buddy and I like to talk while we ride out in the country, putting along looking at the scenery. We took the windshields of too. Tired of talking over wind noise. Rick A17 I'd like to get back to the new stack sound. You know like a sewing machine! Yea, that's they way I like it. Am I the only one? Brent Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[rsanders30117]

EBC sells a severe duty pad for the KLR650 rear brake. I've had a pair on for about 1k miles & they seem to work much better than standard pads. They also looked a bit thicker than standard. I've got an oversize front brake rotor & those OEM pads look like they'll last forever.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "JRC" wrote: > It's time to replace my pads. I'd like pads that stop well (primarily > street use) and don't chew up the rotoer. Pad life is less important. > Based on these criteria, sintered pads are probably not a good idea, > organic pads may be the way to go. Any recommendations? > > FYI, the FAQ refers to an organic Tufstop pad that is not available for > KLR, according to Dennis Kirk. If anyone knows of a front and rear > equivalent, I'd be interested as well. > > Thanks in advance.

[Anthony Newton]

"There is no solution that includes dumping whatever you want, whenever you want into the environment." Dumping sound is no better than dumping chemicals, man. I live right off a road with a ton of loud biker traffic, and I can tell you the noise is a bigger inconvenience/annoyance/hazard than the oil leaks/trash/flaming ciggy butts that only pollute visually. Loud pipes suck ass. -Fig *goes back to lurking* Bill Ryder wrote:

>Now we're getting at solutions! Communicate to the public about why >we want loud, and start fitting bikes with a quiet/loud dohickey. >Come on you "please keep your bike non-offensive" people. Take that >frown and turn it up-side-down. The sky is not falling. We just >need social innovation. > >Now get me talking about global warming and my argument would take a >180 degree turn. There is no solution that includes dumping whatever >you want, whenever you want into the environment. But loud bikes >aren't causing cancer and disease. > >Hey, you guys started it. Hate to see what emails I get if I ask how >to change the oil. "Someone might see you changing the oil and >assume you'll pour it down the drain; only qulified cycle techs at >dealerships should change oil." (Am I endearing you guys to >myself, or starting to P*** everyone off...yet? Talking mainly to >the PC crew. I'm sure the loud exhaust guys are laughing...or at >least not P***ed off. > > >-Bill > > > >--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "bgunn100" wrote: > > >>Would be nice to have a feature that boat exhaust can have. Silent >>choice exhaust, Sometimes you want the offshore rumble, and >>sometimes you don't. >> >>Loud is good once in awhile! >> >> >> >> >> >>--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Chris wrote: >> >> >>>Exactly. A generalization for sure, but most of the open pipe >>> >>> >>types >> >> >>>that I notice in my blind spot are hanging there below the pace of >>>traffic and keeping me from changing lanes when I should be able >>> >>> >>to. >> >> >>>A rider doesn't belong in a blind spot to begin with, with about >>> >>> >>the >> >> >>>only exception being a bumper to bumper jam on a freeway. >>> >>>I use my gas between cars and make damn sure I'm not where I >>> >>> >>shouldn't >> >> >>>be. I don't need loud pipes to alert people to my driving >>> >>> >>mistakes. >> >> >>>I keep myself safe and don't rely on the other drivers to do so. >>> >>>I just got home after riding behind Joe Electraglide with open >>> >>> >>pipes >> >> >>>and doing about five under the limit obstructing traffic. Of >>> >>> >>course >> >> >>>he had to sit there revving out the throttle at each stop too. >>> >>> >All > > >>>that does is piss off the public. >>> >>>The _one_ loud bike that takes off down the highway here is the >>> >>> >one > > >>>that I notice and it sticks in my mind, just consider what the >>>non-riding public thinks. >>> >>>On 8/7/05, Ron Criswell wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I once was considering getting back into street riding but was >>>> >>>> >>hesitant >> >> >>>>about getting run over (again). A guy that used to work on my >>>> >>>> >>bike and >> >> >>>>built up race bikes just said "Go faster than the cages and you >>>> >>>> >>won't >> >> >>>>get run over." Some truth to that. Get out and away from >>>> >>>> >traffic > > >>and >> >> >>>>keep a pocket of air (as much as you can) seems to me the best >>>> >>>> >>way to >> >> >>>>go. I think if you ride slow and careful you will get run over. >>>> >>>> >>Jes my >> >> >>>>theory. >>>> >>>>Criswell >>>>On Sunday, August 7, 2005, at 10:22 AM, Rick McCauley wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Loud pipes can just as easily scare an elderly person at the >>>>> >>>>> >>last >> >> >>>>>minute, and make them react in a negative way. The best way >>>>> >>>>> >to > > >>avoid >> >> >>>>>an accident is to ride passively, and defensively. In other >>>>> >>>>> >>words, >> >> >>>>>keep your eyes open, and constantly scanning. If a jerk does >>>>> >>>>> >>something >> >> >>>>>stupid, let him have his way. You may be right, but don't be >>>>> >>>>> >>dead >> >> >>>>>right. How many times has someone been a real bone head, and >>>>> >>>>> >>you think >> >> >>>>>to yourself; where's a cop when you want one? Sometimes I >>>>> >>>>> >wish > > >>I had a >> >> >>>>>Vickers .50 cal. machine gun on my vehicle. >>>>> >>>>>Rick A17 >>>>> >>>>>Ron Criswell wrote: >>>>>People will hate me but I agree on the noise in the blind >>>>> >>>>> >>spot. I >> >> >>>>>always know where that Harley is in that blind spot. >>>>> >>>>>Criswell >>>>>On Saturday, August 6, 2005, at 09:44 PM, Kip C. Anderson >>>>> >>>>> >>wrote: >> >> >>>>>>I really don't see the point in even making the arguement >>>>>> >>>>>> >>about noise >> >> >>>>>>and >>>>>>'giving motorcyclists a bad name'. The fact is: You can >>>>>> >>>>>> >>choose to >> >> >>>>>>make >>>>>>your bike noisy or not, but whichever you decide, somebody >>>>>> >>>>>> >>else will >> >> >>>>>>do it, >>>>>>and people will make their judgements based upon THEM - not >>>>>>necessarily YOU. >>>>>> >>>>>>Your conscience should be your guide, not what people who >>>>>> >>>>>> >>don't even >> >> >>>>>>know >>>>>>you think - unless of course your noise levels violate your >>>>>> >>>>>> >>local >> >> >>>>>>statutes, >>>>>>in which case it's between you and law enforcement. >>>>>> >>>>>>Frankly, my KLR has seen nearly 60,000 miles on the stock >>>>>> >>>>>> >>system and >> >> >>>>>>will >>>>>>probably end up a little noisier at some point in the near >>>>>> >>>>>> >>future >> >> >>>>>>because >>>>>>yes, it can reduce accidents. I'll grant that statistics may >>>>>> >>>>>> >>not >> >> >>>>>>support >>>>>>it, but for that brief moment I move through a blind spot, a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>louder >> >> >>>>>>exhaust >>>>>>provides an additional clue to the Last Minute Larry's who >>>>>> >>>>>> >>would >> >> >>>>>>change >>>>>>lanes into me that they better look around a little more >>>>>> >>>>>> >>thoroughly >> >> >>>>>>before >>>>>>doing it. >>>>>> >>>>>>- >>>>>>Kip >>>>>>Eugene, OR >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Bill Ryder" >>>>>>To: >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:58 PM >>>>>>Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: I'd like louder exhaust, no >>>>>> >>>>>> >jetting. > > >>>>>>Impossible? >>>>>>(probably NKLR) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for the reply. For the record I'm fairly learned and >>>>>>>comfortable in my ethics. My query was meant to be more of a >>>>>>>technical one and not a political/ethical one. I probably >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>shouldn't >> >> >>>>>>>have even mentioned "why" I want my bike louder as that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>really may >> >> >>>>>>>have clouded the point of the post. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I realize the politically correct crowd is well intentioned >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>and >> >> >>>>>>>appreciate their efforts to attempt to make the world a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>better place >> >> >>>>>>>for us all, opposite people who see the world burning and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>sit back >> >> >>>>>>>and do nothing and say nothing; I mean that in all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>sincerity. At the >> >> >>>>>>>same time I personally prefer to confine my own discussions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>>politics and ethics to threads dedicated thereto rather then >>>>>>>potentially bog down every single thread in topics nowhere >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>near what >> >> >>>>>>>the originator intended to discuss. For that reason in the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>future >> >> >>>>>>>when I ask something like how to make my KLR louder and get >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>multiple >> >> >>>>>>>responses that assume I haven't thoroughly considered all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>ethical >> >> >>>>>>>ramifications at length and need assistance in determining >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>how to be >> >> >>>>>>>a good person, I will probably ignore such off-topic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>replies. I >> >> >>>>>>>truly do not mean to be offensive. I just want to explain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>why I will >> >> >>>>>>>may not respond to such replies in the future, and move on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>from >> >> >>>>>>>there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I typically participate in good ethical debates in threads >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>of their >> >> >>>>>>>own. I am an avid amateur herpitologist (I keep and breed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>reptiles) >> >> >>>>>>>and have posted to rec.pets.herp on usenet for...easily 15 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>years+. >> >> >>>>>>>As you might imagine I am not new to newsgroup ethical >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>debates, but I >> >> >>>>>>>believe they have their place and time lest newsgroups will >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>prove >> >> >>>>>>>utterly useless as a wasteland for flames not unlike hell >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>itself. >> >> >>>>>>>Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >All > > >>the >> >> >>>>>>>best... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>PS - I wasn't going to reply to this however I'm getting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>some replies >> >> >>>>>>>sent to me personally and wanted to answer everyone in one >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>shot. >> >> >>>>>>>-Bill R. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Archive Quicksearch at: >>>>>>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >>>>>>List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >>>>>>List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >> >>>>>>Yahoo! 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