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[traderpro2003]

Excellent. My problem is riding 2-up with gear and girlfriend on the long trips. The weight at speed on hot pavement is a death sentence for most tires. The Dunlop stock tire was a joke...lucky if I get 3k miles and can find so much as a dimple with a run-out gauge! This is why I'm considering going to a more street tire for this trip. But I'm going to give the Mefos a run I think...especially if you/people recommend them other than noise. I'm used to noise with D606s on... Thanks - Brian

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Spike55" wrote: > > I now have 5K+ miles on a set of MEFO Explorer 99s. I like them a > lot but most of the miles have been on the road. I've routinely > leaned it over while carrying a week's worth of camping gear in wet > weather and these tires never slipped out on me. I've never gotten a > scare on any of the approx. 1K miles on dirt roads / coal piles that > I've traveled on in both wet or dry conditions. Great all-round tire > for me. > > I'm seeing cupping of the front tread (high in the middle and outside > edge). The rear is getting flat in the middle but still has 3K-4K > miles left. These are a bit noisy but with their stiff sidewalls, > they can get you home with less than 10-15 psi left in them. I may > try the reversed tread on the front with the next pair. > > Don R100, A6F > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "traderpro2003" > wrote: > > > > Anyone like/dislike the Mefos? I just bought a set and will > install > > for South America. I'm considering more of a street bias say 70% > but > > not sure what such a good high-mileage tire would be...coming from > a > > Dunlop 606 guy... > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > > > > Did you say chime in? I'd be glad to. I had a K270 front for > about > > > 6000 miles. Plenty of cornering force and no sliding. The only > > reason > > > I dumped it was that I was getting some very unusual wear. The > > front > > > of the treadblock was like new and the rear of each tread block > was > > > almost to the casing! I run about 30PSI and brake pretty heavy > > witih > > > the front. Thats probably why I got this half-assed tread > pattern. > > > They were just too noisy. Otherwias they worked just fine. > > > Thet air always stayed on the inside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW you'll have guys chiming in that they're no good, > > but ... > > > Kenda K270's! > > > > > > > > > > I run 36 psi front and rear and get 16,000 kms (about 10,000 > > > miles) out of a set. Last > > > > > summer's Alaska trip (admittedly only to Skagway, but also to > > > Bella Coola, BC) took 15 > > > > > riding days of which 12 (YES, twelve!!!) were in rain. Day #2 > > was > > > 9 1/2 hours of > > > > MODERATE > > > > > to HEAVY thunderstorms from Little Smoky, Alberta to mid- way > > > between Fort St John > > > > and > > > > > Fort Nelson, BC. I had soft saddle bags, tank bag, plus > > a 'canoe' > > > waterproof bag holding > > > > > my tent, sleeping bag and matt across the passenger seat, so > I > > > was LOADED! > > > > > > > > > > Enroute to Bella Coola, we road in rain, snow, hail and about > > 60 > > > to 80 kms of mud, and > > > > > that included the (in)famous "Hill", which loses 1 mile of > > > altitude in 11 miles. That's an > > > > > AVERAGE 8% grade, but as much as 18%. Google "Bella Coola" if > > it > > > sounds far-fetched to > > > > > you.... > > > > > > > > > > Not once did I 'slide into a ditch while cornering', and my > > > experience is that the K270s > > > > will > > > > > corner VERY aggressively, altho' they are quite noisy once > the > > > center part flattens out. I > > > > > expect to get all or most of this winter in Arizona on the > same > > > tires which were new > > > > when I > > > > > headed north on 02 June. > > > > > > > > > > There - my 2 cents worth. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Ed-in-Mesa-for-the-winter > > > > > > > > > > > > > K270s would be my choice for any trip over 3000 miles. > > > > > > > > > >

[Michael Nelson]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 12:27:52AM -0000, traderpro2003 wrote:

> Excellent. My problem is riding 2-up with gear and girlfriend on the > long trips. The weight at speed on hot pavement is a death sentence > for most tires. The Dunlop stock tire was a joke...lucky if I get 3k > miles and can find so much as a dimple with a run-out gauge! This > is why I'm considering going to a more street tire for this trip. > But I'm going to give the Mefos a run I think...especially if > you/people recommend them other than noise. I'm used to noise with > D606s on... Thanks - Brian

I find them pretty quiet. Never heard any noise complaints about Mefo Explorers. Most people who get good mileage out of them run them pretty hard on the freeway. I believe they are rated for 41PSI. Michael -- "It's not what I don't understand about religion that bothers me, it's what I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA

[Rick]

The wife and I have been through one set of Mefos on our KLR's and we have a set on now. We live in Colorado and they are a superb tire on and off road for our kind of riding. The first front on my bike cupped super bad last year on a trip to Canada and Alaska. I had to switch mine out with just 3000 miles on it. This past winter, my wife and I did Mexico/Central America for 3 months and switched to the Avon Gripsters. Fred at Arrowhead sells me all my tires. The Gripsters were great on the trip, we had 7,400 miles on them, I switched back to the Mefos when we got back to Utah this Spring. The Gripsters still have about 3,000 miles left on them. In a year we are heading back the Mexico/Central America for 6 months and I will take new Gripsters again. As people have said, they are called the slipster when you are in muddy conditions, but for all the road riding and the dry dirt roads we rode, they were great. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "traderpro2003" wrote:

> > Excellent. My problem is riding 2-up with gear and girlfriend on the > long trips. The weight at speed on hot pavement is a death sentence > for most tires. The Dunlop stock tire was a joke...lucky if I get 3k > miles and can find so much as a dimple with a run-out gauge! This > is why I'm considering going to a more street tire for this trip. > But I'm going to give the Mefos a run I think...especially if > you/people recommend them other than noise. I'm used to noise with > D606s on... Thanks - Brian > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Spike55" wrote: > > > > I now have 5K+ miles on a set of MEFO Explorer 99s. I like them a > > lot but most of the miles have been on the road. I've routinely > > leaned it over while carrying a week's worth of camping gear in wet > > weather and these tires never slipped out on me. I've never gotten > a > > scare on any of the approx. 1K miles on dirt roads / coal piles > that > > I've traveled on in both wet or dry conditions. Great all-round > tire > > for me. > > > > I'm seeing cupping of the front tread (high in the middle and > outside > > edge). The rear is getting flat in the middle but still has 3K-4K > > miles left. These are a bit noisy but with their stiff sidewalls, > > they can get you home with less than 10-15 psi left in them. I may > > try the reversed tread on the front with the next pair. > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "traderpro2003" > > wrote: > > > > > > Anyone like/dislike the Mefos? I just bought a set and will > > install > > > for South America. I'm considering more of a street bias say 70% > > but > > > not sure what such a good high-mileage tire would be...coming > from > > a > > > Dunlop 606 guy... > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "mikeypep" wrote: > > > > > > > > Did you say chime in? I'd be glad to. I had a K270 front for > > about > > > > 6000 miles. Plenty of cornering force and no sliding. The only > > > reason > > > > I dumped it was that I was getting some very unusual wear. The > > > front > > > > of the treadblock was like new and the rear of each tread block > > was > > > > almost to the casing! I run about 30PSI and brake pretty heavy > > > witih > > > > the front. Thats probably why I got this half-assed tread > > pattern. > > > > They were just too noisy. Otherwias they worked just fine. > > > > Thet air always stayed on the inside. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I KNOW you'll have guys chiming in that they're no good, > > > but ... > > > > Kenda K270's! > > > > > > > > > > > > I run 36 psi front and rear and get 16,000 kms (about > 10,000 > > > > miles) out of a set. Last > > > > > > summer's Alaska trip (admittedly only to Skagway, but also > to > > > > Bella Coola, BC) took 15 > > > > > > riding days of which 12 (YES, twelve!!!) were in rain. Day > #2 > > > was > > > > 9 1/2 hours of > > > > > MODERATE > > > > > > to HEAVY thunderstorms from Little Smoky, Alberta to mid- > way > > > > between Fort St John > > > > > and > > > > > > Fort Nelson, BC. I had soft saddle bags, tank bag, plus > > > a 'canoe' > > > > waterproof bag holding > > > > > > my tent, sleeping bag and matt across the passenger seat, > so > > I > > > > was LOADED! > > > > > > > > > > > > Enroute to Bella Coola, we road in rain, snow, hail and > about > > > 60 > > > > to 80 kms of mud, and > > > > > > that included the (in)famous "Hill", which loses 1 mile of > > > > altitude in 11 miles. That's an > > > > > > AVERAGE 8% grade, but as much as 18%. Google "Bella Coola" > if > > > it > > > > sounds far-fetched to > > > > > > you.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Not once did I 'slide into a ditch while cornering', and my > > > > experience is that the K270s > > > > > will > > > > > > corner VERY aggressively, altho' they are quite noisy once > > the > > > > center part flattens out. I > > > > > > expect to get all or most of this winter in Arizona on the > > same > > > > tires which were new > > > > > when I > > > > > > headed north on 02 June. > > > > > > > > > > > > There - my 2 cents worth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Ed-in-Mesa-for-the-winter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K270s would be my choice for any trip over 3000 miles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[rockiedog2]

Guys Thanks for all the good info on tires and the Prudhoe Bay trip/Alaska riding in general. I am very aware that the PB trip isn't one of the "nicest" trips but it's there and has to be done, or at least attempted. You know what I'm talking about. Know a guy who has tried it the last 2 years and turned back both times...mud. He's trying it again this year. Thanks again Joe

[ocpianoman]

Thanks for the tire info. What's BLM? I'm guessing Bureau of Land Mgmt. I remember finding a site with info about the history of the roads in San Diego County. Sounds like many miles of exploration available there. I'm getting more used to the KLR and the feel of the Kenda 50/50 tires on the road. Still will go with some 90/10 tires next time. One thing about wearing out the tires quickly, you get to try something else without too long a wait.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" wrote: > > Oh yeah, tire pressures...........for my slim(mer) and svelte(er) 268 lbs, > I run 28 - 30 psi in the front and 34 - 36 psi in the rear. I have found > these pressures to work well for me and my style of riding in the > mountainous twisty highway environment up here in Julian and I lower my > tires down into to the low 20's when riding down the old mining roads and > BLM roads to the east. For fun in the Ocotillo Wells area, I steal my > son's KTM 525 with it's totally desert set-up. Unfortunately, my skills > are far below what's necessary to wring out the performance that's > available with his well set up KTM. Not that there's anything wrong with > that.....I learned to ride in an urban street environment some 45 years > ago. > > Buddy > bseifert71@... > >

[klrnut]

I am looking to buy some new tires.I have narrowed it down to either the Kenda K761 or the Avon Gripster.Any feedback would be appreciated.

[Brent Tegler]

The Avon Gripsters have been great tires for me on paved roads and gravel (i.e. hard packed trails)... don't think it would be much for serious muddy trails..... but I have done some extreme cornering on paved roads and felt very confident.... Brent Tegler Campbellville, ON, Canada

[Greg May]

I have never used the the Gripsters, but I do presently have a set of Kenda 761's mounted now. Mileage first, the rear presently has what was surprisng to me when I checked 6332 km's on it, the centre groove which is very shallow on these tires has pretty much disappeared so it still has tons of mileage left on it yet. The front was put on a little after the rear so it has 5000 km's on it presently and is starting to scallop quite noticeably to the point that the front will be useless long before it wears out, the leading edges of the centre section of the tire has virtually no wear. I run 32 psi front and rear and do probably about 70% pavement, mostly secondary roads the other 30% mostly gravel and dirt roads of varying quality. Pavement speeds would average 80-120 kpm and dirt would probably be in the 40 to 80 kph. add in some higher gravel road speeds and lower single track speeds. I have high friction front brake pads, braided ss front brake line up front and am a hard front braker, if you can use that term for a bike that has a single small front disc. I would say this has a lot to do with the front tire scalloping so much. From a performance point of view on the street I have been really pleased with them. When the rear was originally installed it was matched to the stock front and seemed to work quite well on and off road. As a set the 761's seem to grip and track very well on dry pavement, I haven't touched a peg (the feelers were gone when I bought the bike) but I have touched a boot which leaves about 1/4 chicken strips on the edge of the tires, in the wet because of the big tread blocks with no sipes I tread pretty carefully much more so then I would on my streetbike in the same conditions, again they track well with no hydro planeing and at the level I push them the front sticks well but you can make the rear slide slightly but very predictably, a street tire would never slide in the same condition. Speaking about sliding the rear will also slide on dry pavement that is a little slick for some reason, sand on a corner comes by where I work comes to mind, I can slide the rear on this corner in second gear with no problem in a perfectly controlled way. The front always sticks perfectly under the same conditions. Off road the rear has worked as well or better then I would have expected with an 80/20 tire. When it was matched with the OEM front it worked quite well in some pretty tight and nasty woods paths which a good mixture of pretty steep climbs, lots of ruts a fair amount of about 18 inch or so water crossings but admittedly pretty good hard pack where it was wet. IMO this bike doesn't belong in what I consider deep mud with any tires, my 200KDX is meant for that. As a set the 761's work good, the front acceptably but not as well as the rear off road, at slow speeds in sand or wet mud the front pushes to varying degrees, the harder you push the more it pushes. On gravel and dry hard pack the front works fine but you have to be comfortable with it hunting around a bit and trust it to just do it's job. If you're not comfortable with the front moving around and you're going to do any amount off road I would consider a more off road biased front tire. One thing I should mention about these tires that I never considered until the first time it happened, which is probably true off road with any tire that has a similar 80/20 tread pattern is going down steep downhills. Lacking knobs on the rear tire it has virtually no traction no matter how hard you attempt to get your weight on the rear of the bike so you best be comfortable with braking with the front if you have to in this type of situation. The best decription I can give is that it feels like you are in neutreal with the rear tire freewheeling. Definitely this is the worst trait I've found with these tires off road, the section of trail where I noticed this the most is dry usually and a mixture of mud, grass and small rocks and while the rear is useless here the front does a good job of hanging in there and controlling my desent even if the first time or two I experienced it there was definitely a pucker moment. Overall especially for the cost I would definitely buy another set, they match the bike, they do everything I ask from them quite well but you have to respect their limits. Hopefully this wasn't way too long winded, have a great evening....Greg klrnut wrote: I am looking to buy some new tires.I have narrowed it down to either the Kenda K761 or the Avon Gripster.Any feedback would be appreciated. --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 21:14:19 -0500 (EST) Greg May writes: I have never used the the Gripsters, but I do presently have a set of Kenda 761's mounted now. SNIP Hopefully this wasn't way too long winded, have a great evening....Greg <><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Greg, That my friend was what I think is the best and most complete tire review I've read on this list since I joined in the fall of 2003. Well done! Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[hobbhavnklr650]

I have run both, currently on the kendas. I really liked the gripsters. Great handling for what I drive on and long life. The only thing I didn't like about was how rigid the bead was. A hard tussle to get the rear tire mounted, even with all my garage tools. Didn't look for to doing it in the field with minimal tools. Went to the kenda, which I found had a softer bead and similar handling. I don't expect the mileage out of them that I got on the gripsters, but I compromised on that. Keith Idaho KLR

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "klrnut" wrote: > > I am looking to buy some new tires.I have narrowed it down to either > the Kenda K761 or the Avon Gripster.Any feedback would be appreciated. >