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RobertWichert
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quick battery question

Post by RobertWichert » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:52 pm

I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote:
You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound? Sorry Fred s not for sale......... Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now. Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original. It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death. The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing. Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates. The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells. Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell. Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds. The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I want one of those Shorai batteries. Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

I got about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me. No reason to go for the more expensive MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR. The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location.

One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next. I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure.

If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery. The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground. I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:32 AM [b]To:[/b] RobertWichert; david zawadzki [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick; KLR Group [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

Everyone brags about Gell, I installed a Bike master "TruGell" $100. last spring, no good now, 12.1volts only 80percent charging.

SO Is it worth $150. for an Odessey compared to $50. for a wet cell?

[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] david zawadzki ; mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:06 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

Buying something new for the bike always makes it happy. It will run great for a while. It might get a little jealous if you ride another bike or drive the truck too much. Then you might have to buy some spare lights or some new farkle.

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/1/2014 7:58 AM, david zawadzki wrote:

New battery. No more problems :)

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote:

It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity) Meter.

While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job.

A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more.

[b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days.

Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet)

-David

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote:

-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote: Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20 , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated . you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery , the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said, the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up .

Gents, I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V meter and check whats draining the battery. I have not done that yet because it's been really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any ideas? ps- i've done some work on the bike but electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if you were talking to your 12 year old son :) -- David Z mobile: (Message over 64 KB, truncated)

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Fred Hink
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quick battery question

Post by Fred Hink » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:56 pm

2996.44 Pesos = $230   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:52 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote:   You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound?   Sorry Fred s not for sale.........   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now.  Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original.  It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death.  The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing.  Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates.  The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells.  Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell.  Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds.  The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     I want one of those Shorai batteries.  Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

I got  about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me.   No reason to go for the more expensive  MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR.  The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location.

One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next.  I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure.

If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery.  The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground.  I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:32 AM [b]To:[/b] RobertWichert; david zawadzki [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick; KLR Group [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

Everyone brags about Gell, I installed a Bike master "TruGell" $100. last spring, no good now, 12.1volts only 80percent charging.

SO Is it worth $150. for an Odessey compared to $50. for a wet cell?

[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] david zawadzki ; mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:06 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

Buying something new for the bike always makes it happy.  It will run great for a while.  It might get a little jealous if you ride another bike or drive the truck too much. Then you might have to buy some spare lights or some new farkle.

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068       =============================================== On 4/1/2014 7:58 AM, david zawadzki wrote:

 

New battery. No more problems :)

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote:

It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity)  Meter.

While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job.

A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more.

[b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days. 

Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet)

-David

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote:

-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote:  Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question  To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>  Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM  David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20  , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated .  you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery ,  the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said,  the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up .

          Gents,  I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and  the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the  battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V  meter and check whats draining the battery.  I have not done that yet because it's been  really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city  life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge  at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was  fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is  good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any  ideas?  ps- i've done some work on the bike but  electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if  you were talking to your 12 year old son :)  --  David  Z  mobile: 646-267-1109  http://www.thelegendofzarko.com/      

     

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RobertWichert
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quick battery question

Post by RobertWichert » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:01 pm

Apparently I was overtipping in Cabo the last time I was there. Not a bad price. When this one dies I'm coming to you for that replacement. Oh, do you sell chargers too, Fred? I'll need a new one of those of course. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 4/4/2014 3:56 PM, Fred Hink wrote:
2996.44 Pesos = $230 Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:52 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote: You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound? Sorry Fred s not for sale......... Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now. Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original. It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death. The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing. Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates. The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells. Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell. Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds. The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I want one of those Shorai batteries. Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

I got about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me. No reason to go for the more expensive MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR. The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location.

One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next. I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure.

If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery. The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground. I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:32 AM [b]To:[/b] RobertWichert; david zawadzki [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick; KLR Group [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

Everyone brags about Gell, I installed a Bike master "TruGell" $100. last spring, no good now, 12.1volts only 80percent charging.

SO Is it worth $150. for an Odessey compared to $50. for a wet cell?

[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] david zawadzki ; mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:06 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

Buying something new for the bike always makes it happy. It will run great for a while. It might get a little jealous if you ride another bike or drive the truck too much. Then you might have to buy some spare lights or some new farkle.

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/1/2014 7:58 AM, david zawadzki wrote:

New battery. No more problems :)

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote:

It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity) Meter.

While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job.

A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more.

[b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days.

Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet)

-David

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote:

-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote: Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20 , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to (Message over 64 KB, truncated)

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Fred Hink
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quick battery question

Post by Fred Hink » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:25 am

Yes of course.  The chargers made for these batteries will optimize them where a standard charger will charge the battery just fine but it is not optimized.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:01 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     Apparently I was overtipping in Cabo the last time I was there. Not a bad price.    When this one dies I'm coming to you for that replacement. Oh, do you sell chargers too, Fred?  I'll need a new one of those of course. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 4/4/2014 3:56 PM, Fred Hink wrote: 2996.44 Pesos = $230   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:52 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote:   You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound?   Sorry Fred s not for sale.........   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now.  Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original.  It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death.  The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing.  Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates.  The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells.  Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell.  Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds.  The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     I want one of those Shorai batteries.  Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

I got  about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me.   No reason to go for the more expensive  MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR.  The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location.

One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next.  I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure.

If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery.  The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground.  I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery.

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:32 AM [b]To:[/b] RobertWichert; david zawadzki [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick; KLR Group [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

Everyone brags about Gell, I installed a Bike master "TruGell" $100. last spring, no good now, 12.1volts only 80percent charging.

SO Is it worth $150. for an Odessey compared to $50. for a wet cell?

[b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] david zawadzki ; mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:06 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

Buying something new for the bike always makes it happy.  It will run great for a while.  It might get a little jealous if you ride another bike or drive the truck too much. Then you might have to buy some spare lights or some new farkle.

Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068       =============================================== On 4/1/2014 7:58 AM, david zawadzki wrote:

 

New battery. No more problems :)

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote:

It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity)  Meter.

While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job.

A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more.

[b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question

 

This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days. 

Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet)

-David

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote:

-------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote:  Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question  To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>  Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM  David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20  , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated .  you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery ,  the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said,  the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up .

          Gents,  I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and  the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the  battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V  meter and check whats draining the battery.  I have not done that yet because it's been  really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city  life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge  at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was  fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is  good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any  ideas?  ps- i've done some work on the bike but  electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if  you were talking to your 12 year old son :)  --  David  Z  mobile: 646-267-1109  http://www.thelegendofzarko.com/      

     

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quick battery question

Post by jim witler » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:37 am

Fred, will the charging system on the KLR adequately charge the battery? Will the battery suffer any lifetime degradation because the charging system was not designed to charge technology? Thanks. Jim On Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:26 AM, Fred Hink wrote:   Yes of course.  The chargers made for these batteries will optimize them where a standard charger will charge the battery just fine but it is not optimized.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:01 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     Apparently I was overtipping in Cabo the last time I was there. Not a bad price.    When this one dies I'm coming to you for that replacement. Oh, do you sell chargers too, Fred?  I'll need a new one of those of course. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 4/4/2014 3:56 PM, Fred Hink wrote: 2996.44 Pesos = $230   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:52 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote:   You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound?   Sorry Fred s not for sale.........   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now.  Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original.  It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death.  The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing.  Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates.  The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells.  Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell.  Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds.  The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     I want one of those Shorai batteries.  Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery. [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   I got  about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me.   No reason to go for the more expensive  MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR.  The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location. One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next.  I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure. If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery.  The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground.  I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery. [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:32 AM [b]To:[/b] RobertWichert; david zawadzki [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick; KLR Group [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   Everyone brags about Gell, I installed a Bike master "TruGell" $100. last spring, no good now, 12.1volts only 80percent charging. SO Is it worth $150. for an Odessey compared to $50. for a wet cell? [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] david zawadzki ; mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:06 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   Buying something new for the bike always makes it happy.  It will run great for a while.  It might get a little jealous if you ride another bike or drive the truck too much. Then you might have to buy some spare lights or some new farkle. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068       =============================================== On 4/1/2014 7:58 AM, david zawadzki wrote:
  New battery. No more problems :) On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote: It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity)  Meter. While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job. A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more. [b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days.  Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet) -David On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote:  Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question  To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>  Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM  David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20  , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated .  you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery ,  the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said,  the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up .           Gents,  I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and  the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the  battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V  meter and check whats draining the battery.  I have not done that yet because it's been  really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city  life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge  at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was  fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is  good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any  ideas?  ps- i've done some work on the bike but  electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if  you were talking to your 12 year old son :)  --  David  Z  mobile: 646-267-1109  http://www.thelegendofzarko.com/            
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Fred Hink
Posts: 2434
Joined: Thu Apr 06, 2000 10:08 am

quick battery question

Post by Fred Hink » Sat Apr 05, 2014 10:55 am

One of the differences between a LiOn battery and most all other batteries is that each cell in the Lithium Ion battery is monitored and can be charged separately with the correct charger.  If you don t have the special charger, it will charge just like any other battery and average all the cells together.   So to answer your question, I doubt that a LiOn battery s lifetime degradation compared to any normal battery both being charged with a normal charger would be any different but if you use the special charger you may experience a slightly longer life with the LiOn battery, but since this is new technology I have no good answer for you.   The charging system on your KLR is basically the same as a normal battery charger.  It reads the voltage of the battery and adjusts the charging output to match the conditions.  I suppose any electric vehicle (bike or car) using LiOn batteries would use an optimizing charging system, but the LiOn batteries can be charged like any other battery.  It is most likely better for the LiOn battery to be charged with the special charger but at what cost.  I guess your pocketbook would determine that.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] jims1800@... [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:37 AM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... ; robert@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question    

Fred, will the charging system on the KLR adequately charge the battery? Will the battery suffer any lifetime degradation because the charging system was not designed to charge technology? Thanks. Jim On Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:26 AM, Fred Hink wrote:   Yes of course.  The chargers made for these batteries will optimize them where a standard charger will charge the battery just fine but it is not optimized.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:01 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     Apparently I was overtipping in Cabo the last time I was there. Not a bad price.    When this one dies I'm coming to you for that replacement. Oh, do you sell chargers too, Fred?  I'll need a new one of those of course. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/4/2014 3:56 PM, Fred Hink wrote: 2996.44 Pesos = $230   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:52 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote:   You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound?   Sorry Fred s not for sale.........   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now.  Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original.  It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death.  The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing.  Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates.  The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells.  Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell.  Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds.  The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question     I want one of those Shorai batteries.  Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery. [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I got  about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me.   No reason to go for the more expensive  MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR.  The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location. One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next.  I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure. If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery.  The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground.  I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery. [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]mark ward [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 01, 2014 8:32 AM [b]To:[/b] RobertWichert; david zawadzki [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick; KLR Group [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question Everyone brags about Gell, I installed a Bike master "TruGell" $100. last spring, no good now, 12.1volts only 80percent charging. SO Is it worth $150. for an Odessey compared to $50. for a wet cell? [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] david zawadzki ; mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] DeGroot Patrick ; KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:06 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   Buying something new for the bike always makes it happy.  It will run great for a while.  It might get a little jealous if you ride another bike or drive the truck too much. Then you might have to buy some spare lights or some new farkle. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068       =============================================== On 4/1/2014 7:58 AM, david zawadzki wrote:
  New battery. No more problems :) On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM, mark ward wrote: It ALWAYS, comes down to 1 main answer, you NEED a (Volt/Amp/continuity)  Meter. While I do have a $6. Harbor freight I also have 5 others up to $340. (needed for my job. A $25.-$30. one would be nice for what you would do & more. [b]From:[/b] david zawadzki [b]To:[/b] DeGroot Patrick [b]Cc:[/b] KLR Group DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 20, 2014 10:47 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question   This is great!. Thank you all. I will get back to you in a few days.  Ps- I only added a 12v charger to the bike. No extras (yet) -David On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, DeGroot Patrick wrote: -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/18/14, david zawadzki wrote:  Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question  To: "KLR Group" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>  Date: Saturday, January 18, 2014, 9:54 PM  David, there are a few things you can check /do without too much trouble , first off with the extra cold did you change to a "winter oil"? something like a 5w20  , the oils that protect so great in the heat turn to glue in the cold requiring more power when batteries show their weaknes, I suggest checking if your battery connections are tight , i almost was stranded by a lose ground cable , the lights would light but as soon as i pressed the starter it fell flat , cleaned and tightened the battery terminals and all was fixed . I like to clean the electrical connections and use dielectric grease to keep water and corrosion away . I have since put the headlight on relays with the addition of an on/off switch to give even more power to the starter etc but that is more complicated .  you might pick up a trickle charger with a quick disconnect or an onboard model , I have one that plugs into the cig lighter socket i added , and on other bikes / riding lawnmower the quick disconnect , that way you install and dont need to pull the battery ,  the battery in my KLR is from a 2004 Nomad 1500 , been on a trickle charger from day one in 2004 and still going strong (yes ten years old) upgraded the Nomads battery a year or so back and reused as it was still good . that said,  the KLR can handle a bigger battery than specified just measure and make sure the terminals line up .           Gents,  I have a 2007 KLR650. I charged up my battery and  the bike starts for a few days and then it sounds like the  battery is dying/dead. Some of you recommended to get a V  meter and check whats draining the battery.  I have not done that yet because it's been  really cold in NY and i have no garage (the great city  life...). What i did do was take the battery out to recharge  at home (trickle charger). To my surprise the battery was  fully charged in 30 minutes which means that the battery is  good. Could it be a starter? Where should i look? Any  ideas?  ps- i've done some work on the bike but  electrical stuff is all new to me so please respond as if  you were talking to your 12 year old son :)  --  David  Z  mobile: 646-267-1109  http://www.thelegendofzarko.com/            
-- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com -- David Z mobile: 646-267-1109 www.thelegendofzarko.com
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Dominick Martin
Posts: 4
Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:30 pm

camshaft woes/hotcams

Post by Dominick Martin » Sat Apr 05, 2014 12:32 pm

yea... as much as it saddens me... :( I think I've made my mind up to strip all the "goodies" off the bike, put it back together with the old cams(which actually work well) try and do the right thing and be honest with buyers and knock a 1,000 bucks of the blue book price and sell it as is... take whatever I get and put it towards a newer KLR.  Even if it doesn't sell, I can still have fun on the bike, as long as I don't ride it too hard and I'm good about changing my oil... Thanks again for all the advice! All the best, -Dom On Friday, April 4, 2014 8:36 PM, Fred Hink wrote:   Very important lesson to be learned that your motor oil is your life blood of your engine.  Without oil, a low level or dirty oil, most engines end up a steaming pile of rubbish.  Never trust a seller to give you the complete truth about an unknown vehicle.  Taking a vehicle to a trusted mechanic to have checked out will help find most problems but not usually all.  If a deal sounds too good to be true, it usually is. You could always part out this bike and probably make money on the deal, saving all your farkles for another better KLR.  Sell your frame to the guy on our list wanting to install the Ninja engine.  Problem solved! Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] dominick.martin25@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 4, 2014 7:03 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] CAMSHAFT WOES/HOTCAMS   Gents, Thanks for the OUTSTANDING responses. It sounds like I need to start shopping for a used engine! Or at the very least a used head. Honestly, if this bike didn't have 3K+ in gadgets and upgrades... I'd be half tempted to sell it and start from scratch... But that's what I get for being a novice/first time motorcycle buyer and trusting people! ....and to think the reason I bought a KLR was because of the rave reviews they get for being so tough and durable... and I find the one that has an engine that is beat to "poop"... Well, I knew my engine was beat up before I tried my first valve adjustment a month ago, which has spiraled out of control into new camshafts, which is now turning into a potential new engine... LOL FML...  If this keeps up, maybe in a couple years from now, I won't have to call myself an "amateur mechanic" anymore... jk Thanks again!!! I hope your all enjoying the nice spring riding weather! All the best, Dominick On Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:16 PM, Fred Hink wrote:   The cam caps are line bored or mated to the matching surfaces on the head and are not sold separately.  If you found a worn out head that had good cam caps, you could have it line bored again and it might work but would be pretty expensive.  It would surely be better replacing it with new and it may even be less expensive in the long run.  If your engine was run low on oil to ruin the cams and cam bearings, what other damages do you suppose may be lurking in the rest of your motor?  A good used engine could be found for around $400 to $500.  I m sure you are going to have more in the new cams and gaskets, labor etc than that.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] dominick.martin25@... [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 03, 2014 6:02 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Rider- my girls ..... & FEAR IS REAL   Hi all,   I'm an amateur mechanic who is trying to replace his stock (extremely worn/shot)cam-shafts, with hotcams on a 2009 KLR I bought that was run really hard with low oil levels.   I apologize if this has already been brought up in this forum....   Two questions: 1. Has anyone put hotcams in their klr650, if so, would you be willing to answer a couple questions? I'm having a hard time finding any info on the internet... :( 2. The 4 brackets that sit on top of the camshafts were worn as well, but the local kawi dealer wants to sell me a new head for $800+. I only need the 4 brackets though... any suggestions, or does anyone have decent used ones?   Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and reply!\   Feel free to reply directly to Dominick.Martin25@...   All the best, Dominick Martin On Thursday, April 3, 2014 4:15 PM, Ron Criswell wrote:     I had a friend that roadaced and flat track raced a bunch and almost got his expert tag. Scared to death of water. Wouldn't go near it. Bikes don't scare me usually. Heights do....like hiking the rim in Grand Canyon. Criswell Sent from my iPad
On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:38 AM, mark ward wrote:   The old saying is......   Fear is real, even if the reason for the fear is not real. (and sometimes the reverse is just as true. LOL)   I have worked on 220volts 3phase equipment, while kneeling in 1/2 inch of water, in a VERY STEAMY room. (Dish washing/ boiler equipment). and at times 440. No strong fears, as long as those working there STAY AWAY.   Yet deeper sand & mud while riding makes NERVIOUS!   I have A friend that AVOIDS riding during & after dusk, yet NOTHING else on a bike seams to phase him.   Another friend, the TOUGH AS NAILS, Hockey player type, that everyone thinks HAS NO FEAR AT ALL, I learned, is SCARED TO DEATH of small birds. the smaller the worse. (I have protected this secret for him for years)   My Point, WE ALL HAVE OUR "THING", and should respect it, for if you push it to hard for others, you will GET HURT. I'm not saying give into "IT", I'm saying Respect your fears and others.   We have all talked about it being UN-SAFE, to ride while cold, because we get distracted by the discomfort, just imagine trying to stay focused while riding when all you SEE in your head, is the ER or MORGUE.   Tell me you think something is boring, I may try to get you to try it out, tell me you have have a fear, I BACK WAY DOWN, out of respect. Yet if you still want to try, I will work SLOOOOWLY with you.       [b]From:[/b] RobertWichert [b]To:[/b] Fred Hink ; Tim Pruitt ; Michael Dennis Van Horn ; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:58 AM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Rider- my girls getting her license!   My son treats my bike as if it's radioactive.  "Wanna go for a ride?"   Backs up.  "No way!" Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/3/2014 4:52 AM, Fred Hink wrote:   The old adage about you can lead a horse to water but you can t make him drink, is also true concerning new riders and riding motorcycles.  My good friend Peggy would ride on the back of my dirt and street bikes just about any place I rode.  She was a real trooper and I don t know how I never lost her off the back of my bikes sometimes.  It came a time that I felt she should be riding her own bike and experiencing the joys of controlling her own iron horse.  She was willing to give it a go and we discussed all her options.  We ended up getting her a Yamaha TW200 as her first bike.  This is a great learner machine and even has potential for intermediate type of riding.  Heck I even had fun riding that little bike.  Peggy took the MSF classes and got her motorcycle endorsement.  I got her all the right safety gear and I felt she was set for a long happy career as a motorcycle owner.  Peggy seemed to enjoy riding her TW locally but never really got it out on the trails we have here.  She would have trouble getting it started some times and usually I magically could get it to go pretty easily.  She just never really trusted herself on that bike and I found out later it was mostly because of the manual clutch  and transmission.  So eventually the little Yamaha ended up setting and we sold it.  She still had a desire after a few years to ride and after more discussion decided that what she really wanted to do was local street riding only.  I did some research and decided that her next perfect bike would be a Honda SH150i scooter.  This is a great machine.  It is a 150cc four stroke single with fuel injection, auto trans and clutch with larger 16 tires.  It handles easily, very reliable, is able to go highway speeds (65mph) and gets great gas mileage (100mpg).  She uses this machine to go to work with most all year round and to visit friends and do some shopping.  We have modified this scooter slightly with a windshield, a rear Givi box and a Stebel air horn.  I think she has found a bike she can live with.   Peggy was in her 50s when she took up the two wheel life and as hard as we want someone to have the love we share, it most likely isn t going to happen.  I think the younger you can expose someone to motorbikes, the better chance that having this get into their blood is going to happen.  I was about three or four when I had my first experiences and it has been with me most everyday since.    http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/images/Dad__Fred_on_scooter.jpg Peggy Scootin:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-A3hKbJXA   We should all give anyone interested a chance at riding a motorbike.  It is a great life but not necessarily for everyone. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com/   [b]From:[/b] tenntimtwo@... [b]Sent:[/b] Wednesday, April 2, 2014 7:21 PM [b]To:[/b] libertyeagle@... ; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] New Rider- my girls getting her license!     Congrats. I know the feelings you are having. My youngest told me she wanted to start riding a few years, and I was thrilled. She wanted a 250 ninja but as a starter bike I found her a GS450E Suzuki for her. It was as low as the ninja, in truth probably a fair bit less horsepower, but the 450 kinda worried her at first (to her it seemed "bigger"). I loved it. I'm a big guy and I rode it sometimes when she was learning and I thought it was a hoot to ride...oh wait, that's another story, this was about her. Anyway, she did the MFS class, passed, we went down and got her license, and she was set. She got it out, rode to school a couple of times, went to visit her friends once, came home told me she starting to like the twisties, and suddenly stopped riding. I was sad, but at least she took a shot. I'm still not sure what happened and I really don't think she scared her self, but who knows. It did break my heart though when she up and sold the little bike. It gave me a whole new respect and admiration for vertical twins. Wow, drop that thing into a corner and back off the throttle...nothing matches the throttle burble of a twin.Ummmmm good! On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 1:01 PM, Michael Dennis Van Horn libertyeagle@... wrote:   Well, getting someone else on two wheels and a dual sport no less. She is taking the MSF course this week for her license and we are picking up a 2001 BMW 650 Dakar for her tomorrow. She loves the wrenching I do on my KLR it is just a bit too tall for her and is really learning... looking forward to seeing her in the wind.   Just think it is cool someone new getting into the sport.   Michael
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RobertWichert
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quick battery question

Post by RobertWichert » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:10 pm

Fred, I'm not sure that the state-of-charge curve for a Li Ion battery is the same, or even nearly the same, as a lead acid battery. From what I understand, the Li Ion battery has a much "flatter" state of charge curve. And I'm sure that the cell voltage is way different, of course. This is managed in a "12 Volt" Li Ion battery by having less cells (three instead of six?) in series. Batteries are complicated and I would think that a "12 Volt" charger with a nominal 13.8 V float charging voltage is not going to be the right charger for a Li Ion battery. As a matter of fact, 13.8 V may actually damage a "12 Volt" Li Ion battery unless something in the battery acts to limit voltage. I'm not a battery designer, but a "12 Volt" battery is going to want to have about 12 Volts available during use. With a Li Ion battery, that might be three cells in series. Charging over 4.2 Volts per cell could damage the battery. There must be some voltage limiter in the battery itself to make it compatible with a standard "12 Volt" charging system on a bike. I would say that a current limited charger would be more appropriate to a Li Ion battery rather than a voltage limited charger made for a lead acid battery. Depends on the charger too, I suppose. Even if the battery has electronics made to deal with dumb alternators, there may be a better way to do it. And by the way, those pesky Li Ion battery fires have caused some big problems, including at least one deadly plane crash, according to my friends in the business. State of charge affects their performance, of course. Overcharging could result in nasty garage fires too, eh? I do know that Li Ion batteries charged with a USB connection have electronics in the "device" (battery plus electronics) to carefully control charging. The USB just pushes 5 V at all times. So, I would NOT say that a standard battery charger will work just fine with a Li Ion battery unless I contacted the battery manufacturer to explore these issues. You may have done this, so I bow to your expertise. Cheers! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================
On 4/5/2014 8:55 AM, Fred Hink wrote:
One of the differences between a LiOn battery and most all other batteries is that each cell in the Lithium Ion battery is monitored and can be charged separately with the correct charger. If you don t have the special charger, it will charge just like any other battery and average all the cells together. So to answer your question, I doubt that a LiOn battery s lifetime degradation compared to any normal battery both being charged with a normal charger would be any different but if you use the special charger you may experience a slightly longer life with the LiOn battery, but since this is new technology I have no good answer for you. The charging system on your KLR is basically the same as a normal battery charger. It reads the voltage of the battery and adjusts the charging output to match the conditions. I suppose any electric vehicle (bike or car) using LiOn batteries would use an optimizing charging system, but the LiOn batteries can be charged like any other battery. It is most likely better for the LiOn battery to be charged with the special charger but at what cost. I guess your pocketbook would determine that. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] jims1800@... [b]Sent:[/b] Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:37 AM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... ; robert@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question Fred, will the charging system on the KLR adequately charge the battery? Will the battery suffer any lifetime degradation because the charging system was not designed to charge technology? Thanks. Jim On Saturday, April 5, 2014 9:26 AM, Fred Hink moabmc@... wrote: Yes of course. The chargers made for these batteries will optimize them where a standard charger will charge the battery just fine but it is not optimized. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:01 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question Apparently I was overtipping in Cabo the last time I was there. Not a bad price. When this one dies I'm coming to you for that replacement. Oh, do you sell chargers too, Fred? I'll need a new one of those of course. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 3:56 PM, Fred Hink wrote: 2996.44 Pesos = $230 Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:52 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I meant the grande batteria, amigo. $300? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 3:31 PM, Fred Hink wrote: You paying with a blank check? How s 3000 Pesos sound? Sorry Fred s not for sale......... Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 4:18 PM [b]To:[/b] moabmc@... ; John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question How much for the big guy, Fred? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 2:48 PM, Fred Hink wrote: There are several companies making Lithium-Ion batteries for motorcycles now. Most companies make a general size battery and will be much smaller and lighter than the original. It should have enough cranking amps but with a smaller case you will need to add some filler so the battery doesn t shake itself to death. The Lithium-Ion batteries I sell are from a company called Ballistic and they have come out with this year a battery that has the same cranking amps as the batteries they made in the past but put into a case that is the same size as the original it is replacing. Ballistic also offers a higher cranking amp battery for those in cold climates. The standard Lithium-Ion battery for the KLR will have 8 cells and the upgrade will have 12 cells. Amp hours goes from 4.6 for the standard Li-Ion up to 6.9 for the 12 cell. Standard battery weighs 2 pounds and the 12 cell is a whopping 2.5 pounds. The 12 cell also fits the standard KLR battery box, no modifications or need to change or lengthen the battery cables. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 12:11 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... ; johnbiccum@... ; nomad59@... ; fordavidz@... [b]Cc:[/b] degroot93@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I want one of those Shorai batteries. Gotta find the money or wait until my gel dies. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 4/4/2014 10:43 AM, Cox, John wrote: I am pretty happy with Shorai battery. [b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]John Biccum [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, April 04, 2014 10:38 AM [b]To:[/b] 'mark ward'; 'RobertWichert'; 'david zawadzki' [b]Cc:[/b] 'DeGroot Patrick'; 'KLR Group' [b]Subject:[/b] RE: [DSN_KLR650] Quick battery question I got about 6 years out of my first Odyssey battery on the KLR so it s worth it for me. No reason to go for the more expensive MJ suffix though, that suffix means metal jacket and the metal jacket does nothing for the KLR. The MJ was created for big twin Harleys that were roasting the battery in its stock location. One thing that I wasn t so happy with the Odyssey battery was that it seemed to have full capacity one day and zero capacity the next. I was hoping for a more gradual failure curve so I could replace it before failure. If you use the Odyssey you will need to extend two of the factory wires to the battery since the Odyssey s terminals are on the side rather than the top of the battery. The two wires that need to be extended are the smaller (14ga?) wires not the high current ones to the starter relay and to ground. I made extention jumpers for the two 14ga that had a bullet plug on one end (to match the female on the wiring harness) and a female socket on the other end to suit the bullet on the existing pigtails on the stock battery.
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