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[Mike Huber]

[mark ward]

QUOTE: " I would not want a "VOLUNTEER" to serve on my jury. The Jury box would be EMPTY either physically or MENTALLY. There 4 kinds of people, Those that step up to the plate.................VOLUNTEERS!Those that are FORCED up to the plate.Those that run from the plate.And least but NOT "less", those that can not do the job at the plate. I would prefer volunteers in my Jury box, rather then those that DETEST BEING THERE. There would always, still be the Filtering system, by PRE-forms filled out AND the defense and prosecutor.

[b]From:[/b] Stephen North [b]To:[/b] "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, March 7, 2014 8:32 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Moab & JURY DUTY? NKLR   All I hear in responses is how the government is taking YOUR time and since you already served you are done. Really? The system is set up this way on purpose. Your "civic duty" is to the other citizen (maybe another rider!) who is on trial because someday that might be YOU needing a "fair" trial. It's not about you and your precious time given to the government. (Again) And no, I wouldn't want a "volunteer" to serve on my jury. The jury box would be empty, either physically or mentally. Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[mark ward]

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[Lee Dodge]

Fred's tempered advice is worth reading again.  It sets a calming tone often needed on open lists like ours. Assuming that that puts a lid on the saucepan of contention I offer the following  series of observations on our legal system and it's need for informed jurors by some people about whom who you may have heard.   "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." - Thomas Jefferson I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and in the [b]jury[/b] system -- that is no ideal to me, it is a living, working reality. Gentlemen, a court is no better than each man of you sitting before me on this [b]jury[/b]. A court is only as sound as its [b]jury[/b], and a [b]jury[/b] is only as sound as the men who make it up.  Harper Lee   Here are some opinions less erudite, more lighthearted and often with more than a grain of truth. I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a [b]jury[/b]. [b] Groucho Marx[/b] [b] [/b] We operate under a [b]jury[/b] system in this country, and as much as we complain about it, we have to admit that we know of no better system, except possibly flipping a coin.  [b]Dave Barry[/b]   We have a criminal [b]jury[/b] system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read [b] Mark Twain[/b] [b]The salient point[/b] being our founding fathers made a hopeful assumption that the pool of voters and jurors would be informed/educated.  One should always keep in mind that if your fate was in the balance, what caliber of a jury would you want?   Note Harper Lee's ending phrase  ". .a [b]jury[/b] is only as sound as the men who make it up." 

[Martin Earl]

A blonde with an economy-seat ticket enters an aircraft headed for Detroit, and immediately sits in First Class. The flight attendant tries to get her take the assigned seat but only gets, "I'm blonde, I am beautiful, and I deserve First Class" Frustrated, the flight attendant finally summons the Captain and explains the problem.The Captain comes back and whispers in her hear, and she immediately gets up, and goes to her assigned seat. "How did you do that?" asked the Flight attendant. I told her, "First Class was not going to Detroit" Somewhat like this jury discussion, it appears this thread/discussion/flight to be going in radically divergent directions, largely dependent upon each of our own world-view and life experiences...yet still arrives at the same destination.   I don't believe anyone thinks they should not serve on a jury. Why would anyone turn away $25 a day?  I saw the response/answers as, "What happened to me when I was summoned."  At least that was my own intent.  I also see how it might be construed as a discussion how to avoid jury duty.  And perhaps, some responses might be something in the middle as well.   I would gladly trade the experience of having a USN dope head offer to slash my throat with a screwdriver, then remind me 'I know where you sleep'  (I bumbled into a party of 2 smoking a reefer on the fantail) for the opportunity to serve on a jury.  I personally don't think being victim of a crime should excuse you from jury duty, but that is just me and I don't make the sorry-a____ed rules for jury selection. It also delights the defense attorney that he can dismiss a conservative, educated white man from the jury who is also disqualified because his family has had their family business burned down by an arsonist and left us without much recourse but a massive loss. The really laughable context of being excused by the defense is that I am predisposed in favor of the defense; that is make the state fully prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.  Yet I digress. Like the blonde in First Class, this discussion would never make it to Detroit =very far in real life, face-to-face, under most circumstances ...yet I would be honored to continue this around any campfire, especially at MOAB. As I recall, that is where the 'flight' was headed when it was started.Maybe it will land at MOAB. shrug. Maybe not. revmaaatin. who explained to someone who had a fear of flying (I am the pilot)..."No need to be afraid, I will be at the accident site first."

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Lee Dodge wrote: Fred's tempered advice is worth reading again.  It sets a calming tone often needed on open lists like ours. Assuming that that puts a lid on the saucepan of contention I offer the following  series of observations on our legal system and it's need for informed jurors by some people about whom who you may have heard.   "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." [b]- Thomas Jefferson[/b] “I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and in the [b]jury[/b] system -- that is no ideal to me, it is a living, working reality. Gentlemen, a court is no better than each man of you sitting before me on this [b]jury[/b]. A court is only as sound as its [b]jury[/b], and a [b]jury[/b] is only as sound as the men who make it up.”  Harper Lee   Here are some opinions less erudite, more lighthearted and often with more than a grain of truth. “I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a [b]jury[/b].”[b] Groucho Marx[/b] [b] [/b] “We operate under a [b]jury[/b] system in this country, and as much as we complain about it, we have to admit that we know of no better system, except possibly flipping a coin.” [b]Dave Barry[/b]   “We have a criminal [b]jury[/b] system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read”[b] Mark Twain[/b] [b]The salient point[/b] being our founding fathers made a hopeful assumption that the pool of voters and jurors would be informed/educated.  One should always keep in mind that if your fate was in the balance, what caliber of a jury would you want?   Note Harper Lee's ending phrase  ". .a [b]jury[/b] is only as sound as the men who make it up." 

[Stephen North]

Actually there is another "type" of person you left out and that is the person who becomes a juror out of sense of duty and respect for the system and their fellow man. (And aren't we all volunteers at that point?) And that doesn't mean only when it's  convenient and you are not on a motorcycle trip.  You are making my point about "not being there" physically or mentally because you are gone riding your motorcycle. You are missing the whole point of my post anyway.  If you have a legitimate reason for not serving then that's fine. The offense taken initially was all the effort by some on this list into "getting out of it" because "their time" is so valuable and they ARE around. Stitches Afloat LLC4580 Harbor RoadShelburne Vermont 05482802-985-9547www.stitchesafloat.comstitchesafloat@...

On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:33 AM, mark ward wrote:

QUOTE: " I would not want a "VOLUNTEER" to serve on my jury. The Jury box would be EMPTY either physically or MENTALLY. There 4 kinds of people, Those that step up to the plate.................VOLUNTEERS!Those that are FORCED up to the plate.Those that run from the plate.And least but NOT "less", those that can not do the job at the plate. I would prefer volunteers in my Jury box, rather then those that DETEST BEING THERE. There would always, still be the Filtering system, by PRE-forms filled out AND the defense and prosecutor. [b]From:[/b] Stephen North [b]To:[/b] "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, March 7, 2014 8:32 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Moab & JURY DUTY? NKLR   All I hear in responses is how the government is taking YOUR time and since you already served you are done. Really? The system is set up this way on purpose. Your "civic duty" is to the other citizen (maybe another rider!) who is on trial because someday that might be YOU needing a "fair" trial. It's not about you and your precious time given to the government. (Again) And no, I wouldn't want a "volunteer" to serve on my jury. The jury box would be empty, either physically or mentally. Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[Mike Jacobsen]

Ah come on guys, enough already about jury duty nonsense. This group is supposed to be focused on the KLR not on totally irrelevant sh*t.  Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Stephen North wrote:

  Actually there is another "type" of person you left out and that is the person who becomes a juror out of sense of duty and respect for the system and their fellow man. (And aren't we all volunteers at that point?) And that doesn't mean only when it's  convenient and you are not on a motorcycle trip.  You are making my point about "not being there" physically or mentally because you are gone riding your motorcycle. You are missing the whole point of my post anyway.  If you have a legitimate reason for not serving then that's fine. The offense taken initially was all the effort by some on this list into "getting out of it" because "their time" is so valuable and they ARE around. Stitches Afloat LLC4580 Harbor RoadShelburne Vermont 05482802-985-9547www.stitchesafloat.comstitchesafloat@... On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:33 AM, mark ward wrote: QUOTE: " I would not want a "VOLUNTEER" to serve on my jury. The Jury box would be EMPTY either physically or MENTALLY. There 4 kinds of people, Those that step up to the plate.................VOLUNTEERS!Those that are FORCED up to the plate.Those that run from the plate.And least but NOT "less", those that can not do the job at the plate. I would prefer volunteers in my Jury box, rather then those that DETEST BEING THERE. There would always, still be the Filtering system, by PRE-forms filled out AND the defense and prosecutor. [b]From:[/b] Stephen North [b]To:[/b] "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, March 7, 2014 8:32 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Moab & JURY DUTY? NKLR   All I hear in responses is how the government is taking YOUR time and since you already served you are done. Really? The system is set up this way on purpose. Your "civic duty" is to the other citizen (maybe another rider!) who is on trial because someday that might be YOU needing a "fair" trial. It's not about you and your precious time given to the government. (Again) And no, I wouldn't want a "volunteer" to serve on my jury. The jury box would be empty, either physically or mentally. Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[Stephen North]

Well if it's you on trial because of a motorcycle mishap it's not totally irrelevant sh*t is it? Stitches Afloat LLC4580 Harbor RoadShelburne Vermont 05482802-985-9547www.stitchesafloat.comstitchesafloat@...

On Mar 7, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Mike Jacobsen wrote:

Ah come on guys, enough already about jury duty nonsense. This group is supposed to be focused on the KLR not on totally irrelevant sh*t.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Stephen North wrote:   Actually there is another "type" of person you left out and that is the person who becomes a juror out of sense of duty and respect for the system and their fellow man. (And aren't we all volunteers at that point?) And that doesn't mean only when it's  convenient and you are not on a motorcycle trip.  You are making my point about "not being there" physically or mentally because you are gone riding your motorcycle. You are missing the whole point of my post anyway.  If you have a legitimate reason for not serving then that's fine. The offense taken initially was all the effort by some on this list into "getting out of it" because "their time" is so valuable and they ARE around. Stitches Afloat LLC4580 Harbor RoadShelburne Vermont 05482802-985-9547www.stitchesafloat.comstitchesafloat@... On Mar 7, 2014, at 10:33 AM, mark ward wrote: QUOTE: " I would not want a "VOLUNTEER" to serve on my jury. The Jury box would be EMPTY either physically or MENTALLY. There 4 kinds of people, Those that step up to the plate.................VOLUNTEERS!Those that are FORCED up to the plate.Those that run from the plate.And least but NOT "less", those that can not do the job at the plate. I would prefer volunteers in my Jury box, rather then those that DETEST BEING THERE. There would always, still be the Filtering system, by PRE-forms filled out AND the defense and prosecutor. [b]From:[/b] Stephen North [b]To:[/b] "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Friday, March 7, 2014 8:32 AM [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: Moab & JURY DUTY? NKLR   All I hear in responses is how the government is taking YOUR time and since you already served you are done. Really? The system is set up this way on purpose. Your "civic duty" is to the other citizen (maybe another rider!) who is on trial because someday that might be YOU needing a "fair" trial. It's not about you and your precious time given to the government. (Again) And no, I wouldn't want a "volunteer" to serve on my jury. The jury box would be empty, either physically or mentally. Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[Jeff Khoury]

Reminds me of Tim Conway on the Carol Burnett show: Tim Conway: "The seats in the back are safer." Harvey Corman: "Oh yeah?" Tim Conway: "Did you ever hear of a plane backing into a mountain?" -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Earl" To: "Lee Dodge" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Moab & JURY DUTY? NKLR A blonde with an economy-seat ticket enters an aircraft headed for Detroit, and immediately sits in First Class. The flight attendant tries to get her take the assigned seat but only gets, "I'm blonde, I am beautiful, and I deserve First Class" Frustrated, the flight attendant finally summons the Captain and explains the problem. The Captain comes back and whispers in her hear, and she immediately gets up, and goes to her assigned seat. "How did you do that?" asked the Flight attendant. I told her, "First Class was not going to Detroit" Somewhat like this jury discussion, it appears this thread/discussion/flight to be going in radically divergent directions, largely dependent upon each of our own world-view and life experiences...yet still arrives at the same destination. I don't believe anyone thinks they should not serve on a jury. Why would anyone turn away $25 a day? I saw the response/answers as, "What happened to me when I was summoned." At least that was my own intent. I also see how it might be construed as a discussion how to avoid jury duty. And perhaps, some responses might be something in the middle as well. I would gladly trade the experience of having a USN dope head offer to slash my throat with a screwdriver, then remind me 'I know where you sleep' (I bumbled into a party of 2 smoking a reefer on the fantail) for the opportunity to serve on a jury. I personally don't think being victim of a crime should excuse you from jury duty, but that is just me and I don't make the sorry-a____ed rules for jury selection. It also delights the defense attorney that he can dismiss a conservative, educated white man from the jury who is also disqualified because his family has had their family business burned down by an arsonist and left us without much recourse but a massive loss. The really laughable context of being excused by the defense is that I am predisposed in favor of the defense; that is make the state fully prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. Yet I digress. Like the blonde in First Class, this discussion would never make it to Detroit =very far in real life, face-to-face, under most circumstances ...yet I would be honored to continue this around any campfire, especially at MOAB. As I recall, that is where the 'flight' was headed when it was started. Maybe it will land at MOAB. shrug. Maybe not. revmaaatin. who explained to someone who had a fear of flying (I am the pilot)..."No need to be afraid, I will be at the accident site first." On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Lee Dodge < ldodge3082@... > wrote: Fred's tempered advice is worth reading again. It sets a calming tone often needed on open lists like ours. Assuming that that puts a lid on the saucepan of contention I offer the following series of observations on our legal system and it's need for informed jurors by some people about whom who you may have heard. "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution." - Thomas Jefferson I'm no idealist to believe firmly in the integrity of our courts and in the jury system -- that is no ideal to me, it is a living, working reality. Gentlemen, a court is no better than each man of you sitting before me on this jury . A court is only as sound as its jury , and a jury is only as sound as the men who make it up. Harp er Lee Here are some opinions less erudite, more lighthearted and often with more than a grain of truth. I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury . Groucho Marx We operate under a jury system in this country, and as much as we complain about it, we have to admit that we know of no better system, except possibly flipping a coin. Dave Barry We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world; and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men every day who don't know anything and can't read Mark Twain The salient point being our founding fathers made a hopeful assumption that the pool of voters and jurors would be informed/educated. One should always keep in mind that if your fate was in the balance, what caliber of a jury would you want? Note Harper Lee's ending phrase ". . a jury is only as sound as the men who make it up."

[Michael Burwell]

You get reimbursed for jury duty, one usually gets paid time to do it, and it's your civic duty. Yes, you do have civic duty. America doesn't require you to serve like many countries. The least you can do is pay your taxes, show up for juries, and vote. If you don't like how the taxes are spent you can remedy that with the last option as well as contacting the people who get elected despite your efforts. I do. Sure, the system is rigged but those who advocate doing without a system have never been anywhere that doesn't have one. I have. Michael Sent from my iPad