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[Jud]

One of the bikes with that setup, called overlay sprockets, was the Honda CT200, an early Trail 90 with the pushrod engine that preceded the OHC horizontal singles we are so familiar with today. I seem to recall some others from the early 60's. They would have been Japanese 2-strokes. It would come as no surprise to learn that Criswell flogged the Texas arroyos as a kid on a bike with similar gearing. By 1965 or so, Honda had a dual range driveline that went from lo to hi range simply by throwing a lever. Much handier than carrying a a greasy length of chain in the pocket of your jacket.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, davharv@... wrote: > > I recall an old bike with two rear sprokets next to each other and you just popped on or off a small bit of chain to switch from high to low >

[Jud]

Since the factory has shown no inclination to offer wide-ratio gears, and any aftermarket solution will be prohibitvely expensive, gearing down would seem to be the only answer. In any case, I am pretty sure my relatively anemic KLR will pull a higher top speed on 14/43 than with the stock gearing. You could consider 16/45 gearing, just a tad taller than stock, but easily convertible to 14/45, a 5 to 10 minute job in the field if you have the self-locking "prevailing torque" countershaft nut.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)" wrote: > > Oh but if it were that easy. The 3 days and 1000 miles the Roaming Rally will take me down includes some long stretches of gravel roads that you can crank on. You king of have to crank on them also or you get to the end of the day too late to enjoy it. I do some long rides on street too that need te higher gears. What I need is the first and second gears to be lower > > > > From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@...] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets > > > > Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?) > > I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll never look back. > > > > > > ************************************************************ > This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. > ************************************************************ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jud]

The aftermarket can supply you with more power, and just about anything else you might want for your KLR, including a better seat, better suspension, or better wind protection. Wide-ratio gearing is the one area the aftermarket is unable to address at a price most of us can afford.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, SniperOne wrote: > > 1 tooth smaller on the front is roughly equal to 3 theeth larger on the rear. > > I'm running 14 on front (1 tooth smaller than stock) and stock on the rear. It has served me well on most of the stuff around Moab, a few sections of the CDT, and does well enough on the highway - though I'd like to have fewer RPM at interstate speeds. > > If I were dreaming I'd ask for the gears to be about where they are now with my 14 front, and add a 6th gear on top for the highway. I'd also ask for more power like from a big-bore kit for when I'm loaded heavy bucking a headwind on the superslab. > > Hey, long as I'm wishing I may as well wish big... > Randy > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)" > Date: 02/04/2013 9:53 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: RobertWichert > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets > > What is stock, 14? how much difference is a tooth added to the back compared to a tooth off the front? In other words how many teeth would I need to add to the rear to have the same affect as takign one from the front. I need my long haul top speed too and revving the KLR Engine high for extended times just makes it eat oil > > BTW, My name is Chris. Skypilot was the alter ego I adopted when the whole internet thing was catching on. After some time in the military I went to work for the DOC in CT. Dept of Corrections. I worked in a maximum sec prison for years. When my kids came along I decided to keep the alter ego until they are off in the world as adults. I think I am far enough out of that life now that teh gang have forgotten their pathetic death threats but I will ride this out until my 13 year old is off to college. Then Chris Eckert is back and Skypilot can fade away > > From: RobertWichert [mailto:robert@...] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:16 PM > To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets > > Sky (do you mind if I call you Sky?) > I heartily recommend switching to a 13 tooth front sprocket. You'll never look back. > > ************************************************************ > This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. > ************************************************************ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Bogdan Swider]

I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. I Guess I'm the only one around who installed a lower 1st gear from a 600 the predecessor to the 650 klr; there were only 3 of us to begin with. Works great with a 14 sprocket. I guess I could go with a 13 and have a klr trails bike. Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery]

Will the KLR600 first gear fit in a 08+??? If so then will someone in MOAB please quote the parts needed by model of KLR. I dont think I am the only one who would do this if the parts were all available in one place. From: Bogdan Swider [mailto:BSwider@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:38 AM To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery); DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. I Guess I'm the only one around who installed a lower 1st gear from a 600 - the predecessor to the 650 klr; there were only 3 of us to begin with. Works great with a 14 sprocket. I guess I could go with a 13 and have a klr trails bike. Bogdan ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

It s not as easy as just changing out one gear. As Bogdan can attest to, you will need to change your clutch and clutch cover as well as some other parts. It is not an easy or cheap modification. It does work but at what price? If you want that guy in Moab to give you parts prices, I ll get him on the job as soon as he has his breakfast. (as I remember, the gear isn t available from Kawasaki any longer) Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:45 AM To: Bogdan Swider ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets Will the KLR600 first gear fit in a 08+??? If so then will someone in MOAB please quote the parts needed by model of KLR. I dont think I am the only one who would do this if the parts were all available in one place. From: Bogdan Swider [mailto:mailto:BSwider%40ColoradoCollege.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:38 AM To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery); mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. I Guess I'm the only one around who installed a lower 1st gear from a 600 - the predecessor to the 650 klr; there were only 3 of us to begin with. Works great with a 14 sprocket. I guess I could go with a 13 and have a klr trails bike. Bogdan ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

Bogan, 1. Was it hard to do? 2. Are parts still available? 3. What effective ratio do you end up with? Actually, I don't remember what my 13 tooth and standard rear gets me. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/5/2013 6:37 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. > > I Guess I'm the only one around who installed a lower 1st gear from a 600 the predecessor to the 650 klr; there were only 3 of us to begin with. Works great with a 14 sprocket. I guess I could go with a 13 and have a klr trails bike. > > Bogdan > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Bogdan Swider]

For the great majority of you, Fred's pronouncement is infallible - like the Pope's when he speaks ex cathedra. However .if your ride is old enough like mine a 95 you just need the gear and a shaft. I forget when the cutoff year is .. 2000 ? Bogdan, who found a used 600 tranny in McAllen TX for $100. From: Fred Hink > Date: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:50 AM To: Bogdan Swider >, "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>>, "Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery)" > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets It s not as easy as just changing out one gear. As Bogdan can attest to, you will need to change your clutch and clutch cover as well as some other parts. It is not an easy or cheap modification. It does work but at what price? If you want that guy in Moab to give you parts prices, I ll get him on the job as soon as he has his breakfast. (as I remember, the gear isn t available from Kawasaki any longer) Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:45 AM To: Bogdan Swider ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets Will the KLR600 first gear fit in a 08+??? If so then will someone in MOAB please quote the parts needed by model of KLR. I dont think I am the only one who would do this if the parts were all available in one place. From: Bogdan Swider [mailto:mailto:BSwider%40ColoradoCollege.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:38 AM To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery); mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. I Guess I'm the only one around who installed a lower 1st gear from a 600 - the predecessor to the 650 klr; there were only 3 of us to begin with. Works great with a 14 sprocket. I guess I could go with a 13 and have a klr trails bike. Bogdan ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bogdan Swider]

On 2/5/13 8:06 AM, "RobertWichert" wrote:

>Bogan, > >1. Was it hard to do?

My bike engine was disassembled and in the shop of Elden Carl - a long story. Since it was already apart it was no big deal.

> >2. Are parts still available?

Don't know how hard it is to locate a junk 600

> >3. What effective ratio do you end up with? Actually, I don't remember >what my 13 tooth and standard rear gets me.

Can't give you a number off the top of my head. Feels like a 13 sprocket. Bogan I mean Bogdan

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[Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery]

So much for an easy fix. May I assume it is just as complicated to put a higher 5th gear in? That would allow for the highway speeds still while tossing in a smaller front sprocket From: Fred Hink [mailto:moabmc@...] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:50 AM To: Bogdan Swider; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com; Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets It s not as easy as just changing out one gear. As Bogdan can attest to, you will need to change your clutch and clutch cover as well as some other parts. It is not an easy or cheap modification. It does work but at what price? If you want that guy in Moab to give you parts prices, I ll get him on the job as soon as he has his breakfast. (as I remember, the gear isn t available from Kawasaki any longer) Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery) Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 7:45 AM To: Bogdan Swider ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets Will the KLR600 first gear fit in a 08+??? If so then will someone in MOAB please quote the parts needed by model of KLR. I dont think I am the only one who would do this if the parts were all available in one place. From: Bogdan Swider [mailto:mailto:BSwider%40ColoradoCollege.edu] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:38 AM To: Eckert, Christopher (CTO Service Delivery); mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Wide Ratio gearsets I would give anything for a lower first gear on this bike. I Guess I'm the only one around who installed a lower 1st gear from a 600 - the predecessor to the 650 klr; there were only 3 of us to begin with. Works great with a 14 sprocket. I guess I could go with a 13 and have a klr trails bike. Bogdan ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ************************************************************ This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. ************************************************************ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]