please forgive me! oily mess -nklrish

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: i myself got 12,000 out a street o ring,of > course it depends also on clutch/throttle use /wheelies etc. What did you treat it with? Watt-man got 33k out of his on WD40. Of course you are right, riding style could play a big part. My KLR's chains typically go pretty close to 20k on WD40, that's on a mix of paved and unpaved. I'm still not hearing anything to recommend your "lube". What are you using on your KLR? How long do your chains last?

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

jud,i use silkolene or spectro,but i find little in difference in the top brands as long as the rollers and teeth keep a 'grey coating' on them,silkolene seems to hold up best in the rain,i get 3 + years out of a regina gold chain,let me ask you a question,what constitues when a chain is worn out?does it break and leave you stranded?or worse goes thru the cases,do the o- rings disintegrate ?the old pull the link away from the sprocket method? i'm sure i could get many more miles,but the sprockets suffer when the chain's pitch changes too much ,i almost never change a rear sprocket at all .another question,as for 'snake oil' lubes can you tell me what WD consists of? -----Original Message----- From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 2:28 am Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: i myself got 12,000 out a street o ring,of > course it depends also on clutch/throttle use /wheelies etc. What did you treat it with? Watt-man got 33k out of his on WD40. Of course you are right, riding style could play a big part. My KLR's chains typically go pretty close to 20k on WD40, that's on a mix of paved and unpaved. I'm still not hearing anything to recommend your "lube". What are you using on your KLR? How long do your chains last?

[Bogdan Swider]

> You > present no information to suggest that your choice of "lube", whatever it is, > performs any > better. > > >

One thing that would make chain/sprockets last way longer is enclosing the trio. Don t know why you have to buy a tiny bike in a third world country to have that proven system. Last one I can remember sold here was the MZ 500; the Saxon was the dual sport model. Accordion rubber sleeves would make this workable in all but the most extreme off road conditions. Dork factor makes all eschew enclosing? Hey...we ride klrs. Good morning, Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote:

> > jud,i use silkolene or spectro,but i find little in difference in the > top brands as long as the rollers and teeth keep a 'grey coating' on > them,silkolene seems to hold up best in the rain,i get 3 + years out of > a regina gold chain,let me ask you a question,what constitues when a > chain is worn out?does it break and leave you stranded?or worse goes > thru the cases,do the o- rings disintegrate ?the old pull the link away > from the sprocket method? i'm sure i could get many more miles,but the > sprockets suffer when the chain's pitch changes > too much ,i almost never change a rear sprocket at all .another > question,as for 'snake oil' lubes can you tell me what WD consists of? >

How many miles do you get out of your chains?

[Fred Hink]

Howdy Bogdan, Did you know that MZ was going to close it's factory after all these years? http://www.thelocal.de/money/20090106-16577.html Hope you are staying warm this winter. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com http://s1.zetaboards.com/arrowhead

----- Original Message ----- From: Bogdan Swider To: Jud Jones ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question > You > present no information to suggest that your choice of "lube", whatever it > is, > performs any > better. > > > One thing that would make chain/sprockets last way longer is enclosing the trio. Don t know why you have to buy a tiny bike in a third world country to have that proven system. Last one I can remember sold here was the MZ 500; the Saxon was the dual sport model. Accordion rubber sleeves would make this workable in all but the most extreme off road conditions. Dork factor makes all eschew enclosing? Hey...we ride klrs. Good morning, Bogdan

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

The old Bultaco Matador 250 enduro model had an enclosed system kinda like that (late 60's). My brother - in law had one. He didn't like 2 strokes as he was always seizing them ...... because? I saw him a number of times when low on gas when we were riding pull up to a service station and put gas in .... without adding oil. He don't deserve to own anything mechanical. criswell

On Jan 20, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > You > > present no information to suggest that your choice of "lube", > whatever it is, > > performs any > > better. > > > > > > > One thing that would make chain/sprockets last way longer is > enclosing the > trio. Don t know why you have to buy a tiny bike in a third world > country to > have that proven system. Last one I can remember sold here was the > MZ 500; > the Saxon was the dual sport model. Accordion rubber sleeves would > make > this workable in all but the most extreme off road conditions. Dork > factor > makes all eschew enclosing? Hey...we ride klrs. > > Good morning, Bogdan > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote:

> question,as for 'snake oil' lubes can you tell me what WD consists of?

WD-40 is Stoddard solvent and light machine oil with a bit of perfume added to make it smell like, well, WD-40. Nothing particularly special, magic, or snake-oilish about it. The stuff in jugs is about 60% Stoddard solvent and 40% light machine oil, the stuff in cans is if I recall correctly 80% Stoddard solvent and 20% light machine oil. None of this is harmful to chains in any way. My only beef with WD-40 as a chain "lubricant" (really, rust-proofer and o-ring conditioner) is that it washes off easily in the rain, resulting in a rusty chain. But for cleaning chains it does just fine.

[aphampton628]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@ wrote: > > question,as for 'snake oil' lubes can you tell me what WD consists of? > > WD-40 is Stoddard solvent and light machine oil with a bit of perfume > added to make it smell like, well, WD-40. Nothing particularly > special, magic, or snake-oilish about it. The stuff in jugs is about > 60% Stoddard solvent and 40% light machine oil, the stuff in cans is > if I recall correctly 80% Stoddard solvent and 20% light machine oil. > None of this is harmful to chains in any way. My only beef with WD-40 > as a chain "lubricant" (really, rust-proofer and o-ring conditioner) > is that it washes off easily in the rain, resulting in a rusty chain. > But for cleaning chains it does just fine. >

WD-40 Aerosol http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf WD-40 Bulk Liquid http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd482671453.pdf Alan

[trailsunltd@aol.com]

again, how do YOU determine when a chain is worn and needs replacing,wait till it breaks?,get stranded? i don't know ,is this some kind of chain mileage contest?,i stated how i determine when to replace a chain,then i replace it,i don't shoot for a certain mileage,when it's worn out,that's it,i hit some remote places and i'm not guessing on the chains cond. -----Original Message----- From: Jud Jones To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 9:45 am Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Chain Lube - Squeak Question

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote: > > jud,i use silkolene or spectro,but i find little in difference in the > top brands as long as the rollers and teeth keep a 'grey coating' on > them,silkolene seems to hold up best in the rain,i get 3 + years out of > a regina gold chain,let me ask you a question,what constitues when a > chain is worn out?does it break and leave you stranded?or worse goes > thru the cases,do the o- rings disintegrate ?the old pull the link away > from the sprocket method? i'm sure i could get many more miles,but the > sprockets suffer when the chain's pitch changes > too much ,i almost never change a rear sprocket at all .another > question,as for 'snake oil' lubes can you tell me what WD consists of? > How many miles do you get out of your chains?

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, trailsunltd@... wrote:

> > again, how do YOU determine when a chain is worn and needs > replacing,wait till it breaks?,get stranded? i don't know ,is this some > kind of chain mileage contest?,i stated how i determine when to replace > a chain,then i replace it,i don't shoot for a certain mileage,when it's > worn out,that's it,i hit some remote places and i'm not guessing on the > chains cond. > >

Is this a troll? Without something to suggest that your snake oil might make my chain last longer than the snake oil I use, I have no reason to use anything else. If you want to persist with a regimen that wears your chains out sooner, please feel free.