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[Michael Hightower]

>>> I can't think of anything Kawasaki pioneered from a >> design

standpoint.

>>...... Jet Ski

Hate to say it, but Kawasaki didn't pioneer the Jet Ski. It was invented by this dude Clayton Jacobsen, and originally marketed by Bombardier. I've never been on one, but being a big James Bond fan I know the history of them. Why? Because I'm a sad sad man. - Mike

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I'm stirring up trouble here but isn't the copycat thing what the Japanese are famous at? Remember back to the early 1980's, when Japan was coming alive, when many techno advances were being made here in the states, the Japanese were stealing the technology and producing items cheaper and selling them back to us? Remember that? It is only relatively recently that the Japanese have been the pioneers in technology. And guess who is playing copycat now? The Chinese. Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, referring to the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's Have you noticed that "made in China" is the current joke, referring to quality? Do you think China is going to follow in Japans' footsteps????? What do you think "made in China" is going to mean by 2020?????? Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

> > > Next time he mouths off at the family gathering, invite him out to

the racetrace for a few timed laps. You know you're going to beat him, but having him spin it off the track a few times may be better for your relationship with the fam than letting him roll it off into a canyon trying to keep up with you in the twisties. Or maybe not...

> > Steve >

Steve, I can see your advice is leading to more overtime for me. "He needed killin" is a justifiable defense, in some states. I ain't condoning, just reporting.... revmaaatin. ain't complaining, just observing.

[stevedyer]

Rev, But...but...but... I purposefully suggested the track because of its much greater safety over the public roads! Honest! The little twist at the end was just to acknowledge the possibility that the fam might not be all that distressed should the mouthy bro-in-law..... m-m-m-meet wif' an accident. Steve Six bro's in law. All nice guys. How does a fellow get so lucky? ----------- Steve, I can see your advice is leading to more overtime for me. "He needed killin" is a justifiable defense, in some states. I ain't condoning, just reporting.... revmaaatin. ain't complaining, just observing.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Next time he mouths off at the family gathering, invite him out to the racetrace for a few timed laps. You know you're going to beat him, but having him spin it off the track a few times may be better for your relationship with the fam than letting him roll it off into a canyon trying to keep up with you in the twisties. Or maybe not... Steve

[Krgrife@aol.com]

In a message dated 8/4/2006 3:57:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jokerloco9@... writes:

>>>>Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, referring

to the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's

[Ronald Criswell]

Emm ...... I think the Japanese started coming on strong a lot earlier than the early 80's with 2 models in the late 60's. The DT1 Yamaha 250 and the Honda 750 4 (that was introduced in what 1969 or so). Right after that the 900 Kawasaki (Z1 I think) came out. Harley and the Brits ........ could not....I repeat.... could not in anyway equal the Honda and the Kawasaki. First two big bikes you could ride cross country on and not worry about getting home. The Yamaha's were not up to European dirt bikes in say suspension ....... but they were cheap .......... and you could flog the crap of of them (and get home). I don't know if they copied anybody on them but all 3 were ..... great bikes .... and changed motorcycling forever for the good. The Japanese were making wonderful 4 and 6 cylinder road race bikes since the early 60's. They weren't copying the Brits or Americans on that. If they copied any multi-cylinder engines it would be the Italians as they to my knowledge were the only other manufacturers making 4 and 6 cylinder bikes. Gee, lights that work, brakes that stop, engines that were fast, fast and more reliable than any other makes. What a concept! Criswell (a long time admirer of Japanese engines)

On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:55 PM, jokerloco9@... wrote: > I'm stirring up trouble here but isn't the copycat thing what the > Japanese > are famous at? Remember back to the early 1980's, when Japan was > coming > alive, when many techno advances were being made here in the > states, the Japanese > were stealing the technology and producing items cheaper and > selling them > back to us? Remember that? It is only relatively recently that the > Japanese > have been the pioneers in technology. > > And guess who is playing copycat now? The Chinese. > > Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, > referring to > the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's > > Have you noticed that "made in China" is the current joke, > referring to > quality? > Do you think China is going to follow in Japans' footsteps????? > > What do you think "made in China" is going to mean by 2020?????? > > Jeff A20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I wasn't referring to only motorcycles. Actually, I was referring very little to motorcycles. Think electronics... The Japanese were masters on copying. Remember the international hassles back then regarding copyright and patent infringement? Jeff A20 -----Original Message----- From: roncriswell@... To: jokerloco9@... Cc: matt@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Jap Crap vs Harley blow up Emm ...... I think the Japanese started coming on strong a lot earlier than the early 80's with 2 models in the late 60's. The DT1 Yamaha 250 and the Honda 750 4 (that was introduced in what 1969 or so). Right after that the 900 Kawasaki (Z1 I think) came out. Harley and the Brits ........ could not....I repeat.... could not in anyway equal the Honda and the Kawasaki. First two big bikes you could ride cross country on and not worry about getting home. The Yamaha's were not up to European dirt bikes in say suspension ....... but they were cheap .......... and you could flog the crap of of them (and get home). I don't know if they copied anybody on them but all 3 were ..... great bikes .... and changed motorcycling forever for the good. The Japanese were making wonderful 4 and 6 cylinder road race bikes since the early 60's. They weren't copying the Brits or Americans on that. If they copied any multi-cylinder engines it would be the Italians as they to my knowledge were the only other manufacturers making 4 and 6 cylinder bikes. Gee, lights that work, brakes that stop, engines that were fast, fast and more reliable than any other makes. What a concept! Criswell (a long time admirer of Japanese engines)

On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:55 PM, jokerloco9@... wrote: I'm stirring up trouble here but isn't the copycat thing what the Japanese are famous at? Remember back to the early 1980's, when Japan was coming alive, when many techno advances were being made here in the states, the Japanese were stealing the technology and producing items cheaper and selling them back to us? Remember that? It is only relatively recently that the Japanese have been the pioneers in technology. And guess who is playing copycat now? The Chinese. Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, referring to the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's Have you noticed that "made in China" is the current joke, referring to quality? Do you think China is going to follow in Japans' footsteps????? What do you think "made in China" is going to mean by 2020?????? Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] = ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[John D. Swain]

If, and that is a BIG if, the Japanese were masters of copying, it is because the USA deliberately gave them technology. Most of the copyright infringment allegations were just that, allegations. The US needed a scapegoat to explain all the crappy stuff we were/are making. The Japanese, and now Chinese, are convenient targets that are "different from us." John

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote: > > I wasn't referring to only motorcycles. Actually, I was referring very little to motorcycles. Think electronics... The Japanese were masters on copying. Remember the international hassles back then regarding copyright and patent infringement? > > Jeff A20 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: roncriswell@... > To: jokerloco9@... > Cc: matt@...; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Jap Crap vs Harley blow up > > > Emm ...... I think the Japanese started coming on strong a lot earlier than the early 80's with 2 models in the late 60's. The DT1 Yamaha 250 and the Honda 750 4 (that was introduced in what 1969 or so). Right after that the 900 Kawasaki (Z1 I think) came out. Harley and the Brits ........ could not....I repeat.... could not in anyway equal the Honda and the Kawasaki. First two big bikes you could ride cross country on and not worry about getting home. The Yamaha's were not up to European dirt bikes in say suspension ....... but they were cheap .......... and you could flog the crap of of them (and get home). I don't know if they copied anybody on them but all 3 were ..... great bikes .... and changed motorcycling forever for the good. The Japanese were making wonderful 4 and 6 cylinder road race bikes since the early 60's. They weren't copying the Brits or Americans on that. If they copied any multi-cylinder engines it would be the Italians as they to my knowledge were the only other manufacturers making 4 and 6 cylinder bikes. Gee, lights that work, brakes that stop, engines that were fast, fast and more reliable than any other makes. What a concept! > > > Criswell > (a long time admirer of Japanese engines) > > On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:55 PM, jokerloco9@... wrote: > > > I'm stirring up trouble here but isn't the copycat thing what the Japanese > are famous at? Remember back to the early 1980's, when Japan was coming > alive, when many techno advances were being made here in the states, the Japanese > were stealing the technology and producing items cheaper and selling them > back to us? Remember that? It is only relatively recently that the Japanese > have been the pioneers in technology. > > And guess who is playing copycat now? The Chinese. > > Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, referring to > the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's > > Have you noticed that "made in China" is the current joke, referring to > quality? > Do you think China is going to follow in Japans' footsteps????? > > What do you think "made in China" is going to mean by 2020?????? > > Jeff A20 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > = > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jud Jones]

If anything, it was the Italians who copied the Japanese. The engine in the Benelli 750 Sei was just a Honda 500 four with two more cylinders grafted on. There was a Japanese-built Harley clone. The Marusho Magnum and maybe the Lilac stole BMW technology. From the '60s onward, the Japanese have been the premier innovators in the motorcycle industry.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ronald Criswell wrote: > > Emm ...... I think the Japanese started coming on strong a lot > earlier than the early 80's with 2 models in the late 60's. The DT1 > Yamaha 250 and the Honda 750 4 (that was introduced in what 1969 or > so). Right after that the 900 Kawasaki (Z1 I think) came out. Harley > and the Brits ........ could not....I repeat.... could not in anyway > equal the Honda and the Kawasaki. First two big bikes you could ride > cross country on and not worry about getting home. The Yamaha's were > not up to European dirt bikes in say suspension ....... but they were > cheap .......... and you could flog the crap of of them (and get > home). I don't know if they copied anybody on them but all 3 > were ..... great bikes .... and changed motorcycling forever for the > good. The Japanese were making wonderful 4 and 6 cylinder road race > bikes since the early 60's. They weren't copying the Brits or > Americans on that. If they copied any multi-cylinder engines it would > be the Italians as they to my knowledge were the only other > manufacturers making 4 and 6 cylinder bikes. Gee, lights that work, > brakes that stop, engines that were fast, fast and more reliable than > any other makes. What a concept! > > Criswell > (a long time admirer of Japanese engines) > On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:55 PM, jokerloco9@... wrote: > > > I'm stirring up trouble here but isn't the copycat thing what the > > Japanese > > are famous at? Remember back to the early 1980's, when Japan was > > coming > > alive, when many techno advances were being made here in the > > states, the Japanese > > were stealing the technology and producing items cheaper and > > selling them > > back to us? Remember that? It is only relatively recently that the > > Japanese > > have been the pioneers in technology. > > > > And guess who is playing copycat now? The Chinese. > > > > Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, > > referring to > > the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's > > > > Have you noticed that "made in China" is the current joke, > > referring to > > quality? > > Do you think China is going to follow in Japans' footsteps????? > > > > What do you think "made in China" is going to mean by 2020?????? > > > > Jeff A20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Michael Silverstein]

I just returned from a trip to Rome, Italy and observed that most of the vehicles on the road had two wheels and are of Japanese origin. Apart from the occasional Ducati Monster, Guzzi, or Sportster (with open pipes), most of the bikes whizzing around were Japanese (most popular motorcycle: Honda Hornet), and scooters outnumbered motorcycles by a fair margin. I was really surprised to find that of the scooters, the archetypal Vespa is a dying breed and that most scooters on the streets of Rome now come from Japan and are of the substantial variety like the Suzuki Burgman and Yamaha Majesty or have big wheels (Honda "SH" series). My only regret from the trip was that I had an opportunity to rent a Honda Transalp (they were represented in fair number) but didn't. Mike A18 KLR650 tires page: [www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcy ... r650/tires] -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jud Jones Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 8:47 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Jap Crap vs Harley blow up If anything, it was the Italians who copied the Japanese. The engine in the Benelli 750 Sei was just a Honda 500 four with two more cylinders grafted on. There was a Japanese-built Harley clone. The Marusho Magnum and maybe the Lilac stole BMW technology. From the '60s onward, the Japanese have been the premier innovators in the motorcycle industry. --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@..., Ronald Criswell wrote:

> > Emm ...... I think the Japanese started coming on strong a lot > earlier than the early 80's with 2 models in the late 60's. The DT1 > Yamaha 250 and the Honda 750 4 (that was introduced in what 1969 or > so). Right after that the 900 Kawasaki (Z1 I think) came out. Harley > and the Brits ........ could not....I repeat.... could not in anyway > equal the Honda and the Kawasaki. First two big bikes you could ride > cross country on and not worry about getting home. The Yamaha's were > not up to European dirt bikes in say suspension ....... but they were > cheap .......... and you could flog the crap of of them (and get > home). I don't know if they copied anybody on them but all 3 > were ..... great bikes .... and changed motorcycling forever for the > good. The Japanese were making wonderful 4 and 6 cylinder road race > bikes since the early 60's. They weren't copying the Brits or > Americans on that. If they copied any multi-cylinder engines it would > be the Italians as they to my knowledge were the only other > manufacturers making 4 and 6 cylinder bikes. Gee, lights that work, > brakes that stop, engines that were fast, fast and more reliable than > any other makes. What a concept! > > Criswell > (a long time admirer of Japanese engines) > On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:55 PM, jokerloco9@.-.. wrote: > > > I'm stirring up trouble here but isn't the copycat thing what the > > Japanese > > are famous at? Remember back to the early 1980's, when Japan was > > coming > > alive, when many techno advances were being made here in the > > states, the Japanese > > were stealing the technology and producing items cheaper and > > selling them > > back to us? Remember that? It is only relatively recently that the > > Japanese > > have been the pioneers in technology. > > > > And guess who is playing copycat now? The Chinese. > > > > Remember back in the 1960's, when "made in Japan" was a joke, > > referring to > > the quality. The Japanese got smart in the 1980's > > > > Have you noticed that "made in China" is the current joke, > > referring to > > quality? > > Do you think China is going to follow in Japans' footsteps???-?? > > > > What do you think "made in China" is going to mean by 2020?????? > > > > Jeff A20 > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

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