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[Michael Silverstein]

Yes, I agree that the correlation between the 'look' of the tire and the performance on the street isn't what I would expect. I think one reason may be because the values are normalized relative to the best performers, regardless of their absolute merit. So a rating of 10 within a category might indicate a tire is the best of the bunch but still not very good in absolute terms. Mike A18

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rodney Copeland [mailto:zrod@...] > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:33 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tire Selection > > > > > Interesting and I'm sure alot of work went into the comprehensive > graphs, but some of it doesn't seem accurate, or it may just > be me. There's a point where the more radical the pattern, > the better it > does in any soft stuff worse on the street. > The graphs don't seem to reflect that. > Rod, thanks for the link though, pretty cool > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Silverstein" > wrote: > > This sort of answers my question about tire impressions under > different > > conditions pretty well: > > http://www.techstan.com/private/xr600/database/tire/tire.htm > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Michael Silverstein [mailto:msilverstein@s...] > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:06 AM > > > To: DSN_KLR650@Y... > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Selection > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of tires I'm about to replace my stock rear, and was > > > wondering if the kind souls on this list could provide > > > impressions about tire performance under different conditions > > > beyond the already detailed information on the faqs at > > > http://www.thumperpage.com/articles/klrfaq.html and > > > http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#wheelstires. > > > Specifically, what are people's impressions of the tires > > > listed in the 50/50 section, rated within a scale of 1-10: > > > > > > Road Sand Mud Hard > > > pack dirt Loose dirt Fine gravel Coarse gravel Rocks > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > Dunlop K750 (Stock tires) > > > Kenda K270 > > > Maxxis C-6006 > > > Continental TKC80 > > > Bridgestone Trailwing 41/42 > > > Bridgestone Trailwing 21/22 > > > IRC GP110 > > > Metzler Sahara 3 > > > Pirelli MT70 > > > IRC GP-1 > > > > > > Hope the formatting didn't get messed up. > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: > 1/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: > 1/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: > 1/16/2005 > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 > >

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[Rodney Copeland]

Wish the 858 was listed, Damit! That would give me somethin to go on! Rod --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Silverstein" wrote:

> Yes, I agree that the correlation between the 'look' of the tire

and the

> performance on the street isn't what I would expect. I think one

reason

> may be because the values are normalized relative to the best > performers, regardless of their absolute merit. So a rating of 10

within

> a category might indicate a tire is the best of the bunch but still

not

> very good in absolute terms. > > Mike A18 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rodney Copeland [mailto:zrod@h...] > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 3:33 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Tire Selection > > > > > > > > > > Interesting and I'm sure alot of work went into the comprehensive > > graphs, but some of it doesn't seem accurate, or it may just > > be me. There's a point where the more radical the pattern, > > the better it > > does in any soft stuff worse on the street. > > The graphs don't seem to reflect that. > > Rod, thanks for the link though, pretty cool > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Silverstein" > > wrote: > > > This sort of answers my question about tire impressions under > > different > > > conditions pretty well: > > > http://www.techstan.com/private/xr600/database/tire/tire.htm > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Silverstein [mailto:msilverstein@s...] > > > > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:06 AM > > > > To: DSN_KLR650@Y... > > > > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Tire Selection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of tires I'm about to replace my stock rear, and was > > > > wondering if the kind souls on this list could provide > > > > impressions about tire performance under different conditions > > > > beyond the already detailed information on the faqs at > > > > http://www.thumperpage.com/articles/klrfaq.html and > > > > http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html#wheelstires. > > > > Specifically, what are people's impressions of the tires > > > > listed in the 50/50 section, rated within a scale of 1-10: > > > > > > > > Road Sand Mud

Hard

> > > > pack dirt Loose dirt Fine gravel Coarse gravel

Rocks

> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---------- > > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > > Dunlop K750 (Stock tires) > > > > Kenda K270 > > > > Maxxis C-6006 > > > > Continental TKC80 > > > > Bridgestone Trailwing 41/42 > > > > Bridgestone Trailwing 21/22 > > > > IRC GP110 > > > > Metzler Sahara 3 > > > > Pirelli MT70 > > > > IRC GP-1 > > > > > > > > Hope the formatting didn't get messed up. > > > > > > > > Mike A18 > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: > > 1/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at:

www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: > > 1/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: > > 1/16/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date:

1/16/2005

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[Sandy]

Hi Steve...I'm currently running Karoos on my A18 and so far, I like them very much. I had to lower the air pressure by a few pounds to get rid of a squirrely sensation at freeway speeds, but other than that..good performance on/off road. I don't like mud, but what little mud I've gotten in, the Karoos hooked up pretty good. All other surfaces have been pretty comfy, however they ARE noisy on road. On kolechi gravel (larger rock size than most gravel until it gets broken down) the Karoos were fairly unstable compared to the stock Dunlops. Other tire experience on other bikes - Bridgestone Trailwings for my XT225 - great tires, won't ever buy another brand for the Serow. Kendas on the XT600 - don't like 'em, no sir, don't like 'em at all. They absolutely squirm under the bike on pavement and don't make up for their poor pavement performance on the dirt, mud or gravel. Lots of folks swear by Kendas, but I don't like 'em, my husband doesn't like 'em and my son doesn't like 'em either. Dunlop D606(I think) on the XT600 was great, just wore out really fast in sand. Sandy / Texas

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "wilkins5773" wrote: > > Hello everyone. I'm gathering info for my next tire selection and > have several different tires in mind. Can anyone tell me how the > Karoos compare to the the D606 on pavement. The Karoos look like > they would make more vibration and noise on pavement, but they both > look equally aggressive for off-road. I like the looks of the TCK 80 > but don't know if they would be worth the price difference. Add to > the consideration list the K270's, the Maxxis C6006, and the > GP110's. I'm about a 60/40 rider with a slick stock rear at 3800mi. > So far the best prices I've found are at www.mawonline.com. Thanks > for the help. > > Steve Wilkins > Graham, NC > A18

[Lujo Bauer]

My experience, with Karoos in particular, has been that if you need to lower the tire pressure to make the tires less squirrely on the highway then the wheels aren't correctly aligned. On my bike the rear axle guides/rulers move around independently of the axle a fair bit and aren't very precise so getting the rear wheel to be straight enough is a bit of a black art. However, once the rear wheel is straight, then Karoos will track perfectly and feel completely stable inflated to whatever their max inflation pressure is. Also, Karoos wear fast on the highway, which makes it doubly important to be able to put lots of air in them. -Lujo Sandy wrote:

> > Hi Steve...I'm currently running Karoos on my A18 and so far, I like > them very much. I had to lower the air pressure by a few pounds to > get rid of a squirrely sensation at freeway speeds, but other than > that..good performance on/off road. I don't like mud, but what > little mud I've gotten in, the Karoos hooked up pretty good. All > other surfaces have been pretty comfy, however they ARE noisy on > road. On kolechi gravel (larger rock size than most gravel until it > gets broken down) the Karoos were fairly unstable compared to the > stock Dunlops. > > Other tire experience on other bikes - Bridgestone Trailwings for my > XT225 - great tires, won't ever buy another brand for the Serow. > Kendas on the XT600 - don't like 'em, no sir, don't like 'em at all. > They absolutely squirm under the bike on pavement and don't make up > for their poor pavement performance on the dirt, mud or gravel. Lots > of folks swear by Kendas, but I don't like 'em, my husband doesn't > like 'em and my son doesn't like 'em either. Dunlop D606(I think) > on the XT600 was great, just wore out really fast in sand. > > Sandy / Texas

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[David Critchley]

The idea of the airbag deploying all by itself while I'm admiring the scenery is a thrill I'd live longer without, and if it is as reliable as a lot of "star wars " technology, it will happen. You might refer to that idea as "over-engineering". DC Eric wrote:

> > I have seen crash video from testing in the UK where they employed > air bags on bikes (did a great job on their 'test crash', but I > d >>As >>>And you come back with the answer "no" .. then ummm