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Brad J. Morris
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Post by Brad J. Morris » Wed Nov 14, 2001 5:45 am

> > Actually it only tests a very limited number of a rider's abilities, and in my opinion, not the most important ones. > > What is most important?
Avoiding people pulling out in front of you (or turning across traffic) at intersections. But then that would require a big course that wouldn't fit in the alley next to the Secretary of States Office.
> > [...] > > > I've been riding the thing for a month now and even had to lock it up once when someone blew a stop sign right in front of me. I > > never even came close to losing control of the bike. Though I did come close to losing control of my bladder. > > If your braking was technically correct then you wouldn't have locked > it.
Really? Thanks for the tip, I'll remember that...
> > My point is, this test not a legitimate test of the ability to handle a motorcycle safely. How often have you rode at 2-3 miles an hour > > while weaving outside of objects spaced 10 ft apart 3 feet off-center WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO PUT YOUR FEET > > DOWN? > > Sounds a bit like getting past cars lined up at a stop light during > peak hour.
You aren't allowed to do that in the states. It's called illegal lane usage. $100+ Take care, Brad < - - The one who thought he was a friendly enough guy until he posted his question on the KLR list only to find out he's really an ignorant, nationalist, ogre who doesn't care about his or other's safety. Tough List.

Ted Palmer
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Post by Ted Palmer » Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:22 am

Brad J. Morris replied:
> > What is most important? > > Avoiding people pulling out in front of you (or turning across traffic) > at intersections.
Ok, you have already used the braking method of avoidance in practice. What else is there? Countersteering. What might you use to get through a slalom? Countersteering. The actual speed at which a bike changes from being steered just by turning the bars in the direction you want to go, to needing counter steer, is debatable but it is around a few mph/kmh. In theory, if you rode slow enough through the slalom then you might not use countersteering at all. If your slalom test includes a maximum time component then that would suggest the the time given takes into account a reasonable minimum average speed that would likely require _visible_ (to the examiner) countersteering technique to complete the test. It could be argued that the minimum required speed in this case is far below "normal" road speeds and has no relevence to real-world riding, but the speed would take into account various weather conditions as well. You should be able to complete the test in rain or shine. For example, a slalom is set up with a minimum speed of 35mph required. Ok, what if the track is wet from rain? Ok, set a lower speed, but what do you set it to? And how wet is wet? Damp? Kinda soggy? Soakin'? And those witches hat don't look like cars, so replace the hats with old car bodies. Whoops, some unco student gets it wrong and headbutts a car-body slalom marker at 30mph and the deceased estate wants to sue somebody, anybody. Actually, you could argue that the other tests are artifical too and you would be correct, most of us don't spend much time dodging witches hats on a slab of bitumen devoid of cars or riding in circles inside a painted box, regardless of the fun it may be. Part of the problem is that it _is_ a "test" which has to be reproducable, consistent, does not rely too much on subjectivity etc, is not unduly influenced by variable weather and the people who fail only lose points instead of skin. Realistic speeds in braking tests may require more space to accelerate and ultimately stop.
> But then that would require a big course that > wouldn't fit in the alley next to the Secretary of States Office.
Ooh yeah. Car drivers don't necessarily need to be tested off public roads. Drivers are cheap to test in comparison to riders. And that's what it all boils down to, money.
> > > I've been riding the thing for a month now and even had to lock it up once when someone blew a stop sign right in front of me. I > > > never even came close to losing control of the bike. Though I did come close to losing control of my bladder. > > > > If your braking was technically correct then you wouldn't have locked > > it. > > Really? Thanks for the tip, I'll remember that...
I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't said "had to lock it up". [...]
> Take care, > Brad < - - The one who thought he was a friendly enough guy until he > posted his question on the KLR list only to find out he's really an > ignorant, nationalist, ogre who doesn't care about his or other's > safety. Tough List.
Just as well you didn't ask what is the best jacket to wear to a skills test, or what oil and how much to use during the test. Mister_T Melbourne Australia

Stuart Mumford
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Post by Stuart Mumford » Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:05 am

Au contraire, mon ami. Lane splitting is legal in California. On any Friday evening, on my whopping 11 mile commute, I pass a few hundred cars minimum. If there's an accident, I bet I pass a couple of thousand... CA Stu A13 Riverside CA -----Original Message-----
> Sounds a bit like getting past cars lined up at a stop light during > peak hour.
You aren't allowed to do that in the states. It's called illegal lane usage. $100+

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Post by monahanwb@yahoo.com » Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:08 pm

--- In DSN_klr650@y..., "Stuart Mumford" wrote:
> Au contraire, mon ami. Lane splitting is legal in California. > On any Friday evening, on my whopping 11 mile commute, I pass a few
hundred
> cars minimum. If there's an accident, I bet I pass a couple of
thousand...
>
I do it daily, in the rain, at night, whatever. I'm north of Stu but in the same state, CA. It's safer and faster than following head-to- tail with automobile drivers, and it makes me feel good. Only one time in the last ten years have I been stopped for it, by a city cop, and I sent him back to his car in tears after pointing out to him question #2 on the CHP's website FAQ.

Dale Johnson
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Post by Dale Johnson » Wed Nov 14, 2001 2:57 pm

> > You aren't allowed to do that in the states. It's called illegal
lane
> usage. $100+ >
You are allowed to do it in Ca. It's called lane sharing.
> Take care, > Brad < - - The one who thought he was a friendly enough guy until
he
> posted his question on the KLR list only to find out he's really an > ignorant, nationalist, ogre who doesn't care about his or other's > safety. Tough List.
It's really not a tough list, someone must have just missunderstood or had a crappy day or whatever, I always take stuff on this list with a grain of salt.. It has proven itself usefull for tech tips and entertainment over and over again since I got my A14 in March of 2000. Now that it's Nov 2001 and my bike is 1 year 8 months old and has almost 40,000 miles :-) Dale in So-Cal, feelin sorry for the guy living in Ill, (my parents live there) YUK not my cup of T.. I had my fill of Paris Ill, Decauter Ill, and Urbana Ill. too hott n stickey in the summer and too cold in the winter.. (for me anyway) JMHO

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Post by marcclarke@unforgettable.com » Wed Nov 14, 2001 8:00 pm

Stu, You are nearly correct. According to all the written material I have seen on lane splitting, lane splitting is not explicitly legal in California. However, lane splitting is not explicitly illegal in California. Lane splitting is tolerated by California law enforcement officials. Lane splitting is explicitly illegal in most other states. In states other than California where lane splitting is not explicitly illegal, it is not tolerated (so far as I know). -- Marc Illsley Clarke, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 09:05:37 -0800 From: "Stuart Mumford" Subject: Re: NKLR Motorcycle License Au contraire, mon ami. Lane splitting is legal in California. On any Friday evening, on my whopping 11 mile commute, I pass a few hundred cars minimum. If there's an accident, I bet I pass a couple of thousand... CA Stu A13 Riverside CA

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Post by Mark St.Hilaire, Sr » Sat Nov 17, 2001 6:16 am

> CBR929. He only came to get his license because he had too many > tickets for riding without a license...but he can't turn around on a > 4 car wide road without dropping it.....Oh man I'm gonna get started > if I don't quit.
Hey, I know him. I met him on a side street on the way back from visiting my uncle a little while ago. Although, to give the guy some credit, he didn't hit the curb - just had to back the bike up and do what finally amounted to a 4 or 5 point turn... ########### Wise men still seek Him... Mark St.Hilaire, Sr A15 HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html KLR650 Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ Valve Check & Adjustment Guide: http://klr6500.tripod.com/valves.html

Ted Palmer
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Post by Ted Palmer » Sat Nov 17, 2001 8:07 am

jayed36@... wrote: [...]
> I've installed the Laser ProDuro exhaust... a nice touch would be > to have a stainless steel or chromed heat shield to replace the stock > one that is on the header pipe. Jake or Fred, got anything like that?
I had my heat shields chrome plated a couple of years ago. I didn't cost a huge amount and looks nice. Mister_T Melbourne Australia

Brad J. Morris
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Post by Brad J. Morris » Sat Nov 17, 2001 8:44 am

Pay up!!! :-) ***************** A Stubborn Nut, Becomes A Mighty Oak. ***************** Brad J. Morris A16in' in Illinois
> ##$25,000##

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