[bulk] [dsn_klr650] air filters

[Mike Torst]

Photos on the way. If anyone else wants them for a basic reference, just email me. Mike Torst Las Vegas -----Original Message----- From: Doug Pippin [mailto:dpippin5@...] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:26 AM To: Mike Torst Subject: Re: Air Filters Mike I recently installed a K&N on my KLR and was concerned when I opened the box and saw that the end plate was solid thus minimizing the filter area. Could you describe what you did to your filter retaining plate. Doug _____ At 09:46 AM 2/6/04, you wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:45:16 -0800 From: "Mike Torst" Subject: RE: Air Filters I use a K&N air filter w/ a custom foam filtering modification on the once solid retainer plate. The ultra-fine dust present in my air-box after my weekend in Death Valley did not pass into the carb, let alone the area between the filter chamber and the post-filtered area at the front of the air-box that is drawn upon by the carb. Excellent performing filtration package, w/ higher than stock K&N airflow capabilities. Mike Torst Las Vegas _____ Doug Pippin 828-684-8488 dpippin5@... _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Chris Krok]

> In the same magazines I listed, along with MCN, I've always read that a K&N > doesn't flow anymore air than a foam filter.

http://www.bigcee.com/filtertest/ An oiled K&N flows about the same as an unoiled foam filter. They are slightly better than an oiled foam filter. If you run filterskins, they become much worse because of the lack of flow area through the cap. The K&N argument probably becomes a lot better in cars not only because of the paper construction of the stock element, but because the configuration of the flow area is the same. Krokko -- Dr. J. Christopher Krok John Lucas Adaptive Wind Tunnel Caltech MS 205-45, Pasadena, CA 91125

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-03-29 8:21:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, stingray@... writes:

> > >In the same magazines I listed, along with MCN, I've always read that a K&N > >doesn't flow anymore air than a foam filter. > > http://www.bigcee.com/filtertest/ > > An oiled K&N flows about the same as an unoiled foam filter. They are > slightly better than an oiled foam filter. If you run filterskins, they > become much worse because of the lack of flow area through the cap. > > The K&N argument probably becomes a lot better in cars not only because > of the paper construction of the stock element, but because the > configuration of the flow area is the same. > > Krokko >

That would be an interesting test with two changes: first would be to put the filter in the KLR air box and second would be to run down the air suction so that it did match the intake of a KLR. Using 3x the suction makes this test one of apples to oranges. At normal figures the foam may not prove to be restrictive, it may only be at the upper end that the K&N provides more airflow. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[loudicks]

Hey all, I've seen posts on the board about No Toil cleaning products and air filters, so I recently stopped at my local shop and bought the No Toil cleaning and oiling kit. Later I was looking online for info on the best way to use it and found several people mention that the product will quickly destroy the OEM air filter. I went on line to look for a No Toil filter and the only one I can find says it's for KLR's built from 89-98. and my KLR is an 03. I called No Toil directly and while the person who answered the phone thought their filter would work on the 03, she wasn't positivly sure. Does anyone know if the No Toil filter fits KLR's made since 98? Does anyone have any experience with the other foam filtes that are available like Uni or Moose, etc? FYI, I'm not looking to add horesepower etc, just want a good quality replacement for the OEM one that I assume will soon fall apart . Thanks!

[Jeff Saline]

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:32:01 -0000 "loudicks" writes:

> Hey all, > > I've seen posts on the board about No Toil cleaning products > and air filters, so I recently stopped at my local shop and bought > the No Toil cleaning and oiling kit. Later I was looking online for > > info on the best way to use it and found several people mention > that the product will quickly destroy the OEM air filter. > I went on line to look for a No Toil filter and the only one I can > find > says it's for KLR's built from 89-98. and my KLR is an 03. I called > > No Toil directly and while the person who answered the phone > thought their filter would work on the 03, she wasn't positivly > sure. Does anyone know if the No Toil filter fits KLR's made > since 98? Does anyone have any experience with the other foam > filtes that are available like Uni or Moose, etc? > FYI, I'm not looking to add horesepower etc, just want a good > quality replacement for the OEM one that I assume will soon fall > apart . Thanks!

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> loudicks, Call No Toil back and tell Lura you want a KLR650 filter just like the ones they sold me. : ) I've bought 5 of them from them when I was doing a group buy two years ago. They replaced mine under warranty last spring. It's the same filter for all years. Also ask her to include the free DVD about No Toil products. It's called "Dirt Can Hurt" and shows how to clean a filter. The foam in the No Toil filters is suppose to be kind of special for porosity ??? and pass air with less resistance while still allowing exceptional dirt capturing performance. And while you're talking with them at No Toil please suggest they consider marketing the maintenance products in onetime use sizes for carrying while on trips. I've suggested that a few times but they need much more encouragement before it will happen. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[J Fortner]

On 10/3/06, loudicks wrote:

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No Toil cleaning and oiling kit. Later I was looking online for

> info on the best way to use it and found several people mention > that the product will quickly destroy the OEM air filter. > I went on line to look for a No Toil filter and the only one I can find > says it's for KLR's built from 89-98. and my KLR is an 03. I called > No Toil directly and while the person who answered the phone > thought their filter would work on the 03, she wasn't positivly > sure. Does anyone know if the No Toil filter fits KLR's made > since 98? Does anyone have any experience with the other foam > filtes that are available like Uni or Moose, etc? > FYI, I'm not looking to add horesepower etc, just want a good > quality replacement for the OEM one that I assume will soon fall > apart . Thanks! >

I seriously doubt the OEM filter will fall apart using no-toil product on it. No-toil does state not to use its product on filters that have been oiled with conventional oil. No-toil sent two free KLR filters in the mail when I purchased the kit. Call again sounds like you got a dud on the phone and ask if they will send you a free filter to use with your newly purchased kit. Worst they can say is no. JF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Norm Keller]

> Does anyone know if the No Toil filter fits >KLR's made since 98?

The filter fits the newer KLR's. I have one in my bike with a spare on order. It seems that the alcohol solvent in the No Toil filter oil may reduce the glue in the stock filter. Something else may be the cause or it may simply be coincidence but a number of people have indicated that their stock filter started to come apart when they began using No Toil. I think the No Toil kit is the best air filter option because it is so much more convenient even for those who have a varsol tank. HIH Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[klrmtn]

It appears to me that the kawasaki brand cleaner and oil is rebadged No Toil. Doesn't this imply that it would work fine with the stock filter? I've had no problems using it on the stock filter and a Uni filter. (Dealership didn't have the No Toil in stock, so I bought the Kawi brand for same price). Jason

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > > Does anyone know if the No Toil filter fits >KLR's made since 98? > > The filter fits the newer KLR's. I have one in my bike with a spare on order. It seems that the alcohol solvent in the No Toil filter oil may reduce the glue in the stock filter. Something else may be the cause or it may simply be coincidence but a number of people have indicated that their stock filter started to come apart when they began using No Toil. > > I think the No Toil kit is the best air filter option because it is so much more convenient even for those who have a varsol tank. > > HIH > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Norm Keller]

>It appears to me that the Kawasaki brand >cleaner and oil is rebadged >No Toil. Doesn't this imply that it would work >fine with the stock >filter?

That's what I thought but my stock filter began coming apart right after treating it with No Toil for the first time. I had not used the No Toil cleaner as yet on that filter. It would be jumping to conclusions to blame the No Toil but the coincidence makes me suspect the No Toil as a cause. Several others have said the same happened to them so it may be so. It really doesn't matter to me because I ordered another No Toil filter so as to have a clean spare. Had I followed advice given on this list, two filters would have been ordered at first. HIH Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[klrmtn]

Curious that the oil would seem to cause the breakdown, as I read it you didn't use the No Toil cleaner first, just the oil. I wonder if using the cleaner first could have changed what happened? The directions do say to clean an existing filter first before using the No Toil cleaner. I'm interested to see what happens to my stock filter over the coarse of time. I currently have the Uni installed with the stock in a plastic bag ready to roll, so I guess if it starts to fall apart, it's not in the bike. Jason

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > >It appears to me that the Kawasaki brand >cleaner and oil is rebadged > >No Toil. Doesn't this imply that it would work >fine with the stock > >filter? > > That's what I thought but my stock filter began coming apart right after treating it with No Toil for the first time. I had not used the No Toil cleaner as yet on that filter. > > It would be jumping to conclusions to blame the No Toil but the coincidence makes me suspect the No Toil as a cause. Several others have said the same happened to them so it may be so. > > It really doesn't matter to me because I ordered another No Toil filter so as to have a clean spare. > > Had I followed advice given on this list, two filters would have been ordered at first. > > HIH > > Norm > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >