tire patches

[ron criswell]

I just Wish Kawasaki would go to a tubeless rim design kinda like the Super Tenere or just a cast wheel kinda like on my Verseys. Why is it dirt type bikes always have a tube tire on a spoke rim? Are spoke rims stronger and lighter? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:13 PM, mark ward wrote:

  Pinch flats.   That's another reason I want BIGGER (2") patchs, they will cover a pinhole OR A PINCH HOLE.   & it was a pinch hole that I had in TN.   I had the tire off and tought DARN, NO BABY POWER to put on the tube before installing, I forgot about having a small bottle of "MONKEY BUTT" in my shower kit.   Can you say DUUUUUHHHHHHH! [b]From:[/b] Martin Earl [b]To:[/b] Andy Chesley [b]Cc:[/b] DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, October 28, 2013 6:07 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] RE: GOOD tire patch kit? (who sells a)   I get my patches at the 'tractor supply' store.  My store will sell you one or a dozen. NAPA is another source; though you might have to buy more than you want. You can get nice 2" patches and a fresh can of glue.  This size will cover a pinch flat just right. Not that I would know.... It would be a good idea to put packing tape over the directions to protect the print on the glue can. sigh. The glue is particular on how it is applied and doing it incorrectly allows you to try again.   At least that is what I heard. cough. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM, wrote:  Too bad the hot patch kits from the 50's - 70's went away. Now, I just pick up a fresh kit at least once a year. Knock on wood, I have not had a flat in several years though I keep all the goodies in my top box just in case. Not sure where I picked up my last fresh kit at.   .  ---In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hey Y'all   just about every patch kit I see, has tiny 1inch patchs like for a bicycle.   I want car/truck tire patchs 2+ inchs and GOOD glue.   PRO tire-shop type.   My life is on the line while riding a KLR, I do not trust those child size bike kits.

[mark ward]

Tubeless? Well for one thing it would be a BIG ISSUE when we let 1/2 the air OUT, when riding dirt trails etc.   And Tubes are ALOT easier to repair or replace when 20-50 miles away from pavement, let alone 50 miles away from ANYWHERE.

[b]From:[/b] Ron Criswell [b]To:[/b] mark ward [b]Cc:[/b] Martin Earl ; Andy Chesley ; DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, October 28, 2013 7:42 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] RE: GOOD tire patch kit? (who sells a)   I just Wish Kawasaki would go to a tubeless rim design kinda like the Super Tenere or just a cast wheel kinda like on my Verseys. Why is it dirt type bikes always have a tube tire on a spoke rim? Are spoke rims stronger and lighter? Criswell Sent from my iPad On Oct 28, 2013, at 6:13 PM, mark ward wrote:   Pinch flats.   That's another reason I want BIGGER (2") patchs, they will cover a pinhole OR A PINCH HOLE.   & it was a pinch hole that I had in TN.   I had the tire off and tought DARN, NO BABY POWER to put on the tube before installing, I forgot about having a small bottle of "MONKEY BUTT" in my shower kit.   Can you say DUUUUUHHHHHHH! [b]From:[/b] Martin Earl [b]To:[/b] Andy Chesley [b]Cc:[/b] DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, October 28, 2013 6:07 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] RE: GOOD tire patch kit? (who sells a)   I get my patches at the 'tractor supply' store.  My store will sell you one or a dozen. NAPA is another source; though you might have to buy more than you want. You can get nice 2" patches and a fresh can of glue.  This size will cover a pinch flat just right. Not that I would know.... It would be a good idea to put packing tape over the directions to protect the print on the glue can. sigh. The glue is particular on how it is applied and doing it incorrectly allows you to try again.   At least that is what I heard. cough. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM, wrote:  Too bad the hot patch kits from the 50's - 70's went away. Now, I just pick up a fresh kit at least once a year. Knock on wood, I have not had a flat in several years though I keep all the goodies in my top box just in case. Not sure where I picked up my last fresh kit at.   .  ---In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hey Y'all   just about every patch kit I see, has tiny 1inch patchs like for a bicycle.   I want car/truck tire patchs 2+ inchs and GOOD glue.   PRO tire-shop type.   My life is on the line while riding a KLR, I do not trust those child size bike kits.

[Mike Huber]

[ron criswell]

I have not tried slime but sure seems like better plan that trying to change a tube in the middle of nowhere at 100 degrees. We were riding up in the Clayton Oklahoma area once on the fire roads. A guy on a 250 KLR had a flat and we had nothing to fix it with. He had to ride it flat back to the paved road where we could pick him up. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Mike Huber wrote:

[bryanonfire]

Started a new topic because I couldn't figure out how to trim all the previous posts on this subject using the new format. Somebody send me a clue on trimming the reply.   Disclaimer: The information below is based on countless bicycle tire patches and a lot of hypalon boat repairs. In 20,000 plus miles on KLRs I have yet to have a flat, but I base my patch kit on other experience.   So... if you don't like the patches sold in small bike kits, just cut up a bicycle tube into sections big enough. You could use a motorcycle tube but the bicycle material is thinner. You can always trim down to a smaller size, so if you just lop off six inches from an old bike tire you'll have more patch material than you could ever need. Trim to 1" wider than the repair, round the corners a bit, scuff the material with something abrasive, and get ready to glue.   Rubber cement is rubber cement, it should work as long as it is a vulcanizing type as opposed to art stuff. I suspect the commercial patch kits (ones where you peel a thin plastic backing off the patch) have an accelerant for the adhesive built in. If this is true, should you choose to follow my suggestion and use rubber from an old tube, you'll need to glue both the patch and the tube instead of just the tube.   The key to good glue is replace it often, never more than a year old, and the key to a good seal is that you have to let the glue dry to where it is slightly tacky but not wet. If you are using inner tube material, put glue on both the tube and the patch, using the thinnest possible coating that covers the whole area. You can re-apply the glue two times to get an even better bond, letting it dry to a tacky state (where it won't stick to your knuckle applied with gentle pressure) before you apply the patch. Then roll the patch from the center out with something firm like a screw driver handle butt or the end of a wrench to get any air out from under the patch.   So if you want a good patch kit, I suggest you buy two bicycle kits (so you have plenty of glue) and then add a chunk of bicycle inner tube. Replace the glue every year at most, or before every serious ride. You can keep the old glue as a back-up, but after two years it will probably be useless even in an unbroken tube.   I get the idea behind the talcum powder, but I've changed tubes without it and no harm done as long as the tube is well distributed within the tire before the air goes in. That might be one advantage to a hand pump; maybe the tube settles into the tire better if inflated slowly. The other advantage is weight.     Bryan