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[Fred Hink]

You can t buy just the diaphragm. Kawasaki wants about $140 for the slide and diaphragm and I can get you an after market one for about $40. Or better yet, I am working on a complete Mikuni carb kit that will run you about $200. The Mikuni doesn t use a diaphragm. From: RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:33 AM To: SM Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm So the diaphragm is permanently attached to the slide? Really? It looks like it has a screwed collar, but if not, I'm screwed if I need another one. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 3/20/2013 8:02 PM, SM wrote: > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > Does anybody know what sort of wrench to use to get the carb diaphragm > > off the slide? > > > > Pliers? > > > > > > -- > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > You need a smoke wrench. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[achesley43@ymail.com]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote:

> > You can t buy just the diaphragm. Kawasaki wants about $140 for the slide and diaphragm and I can get you an after market one for about $40. Or better yet, I am working on a complete Mikuni carb kit that will run you about $200. The Mikuni doesn t use a diaphragm.

I super lucked out last year as my diaphrams , both slide and anti backfire ones split. I did a bid on an '09 KLR Carb on Ebay for 70 bucks and got it, Cost was about 80 with shipping. That mikuni conversion would be interesting Fred. Be interesting to see what kind of fuel mileage it would lead to. Andy in Jennings.

[ron criswell]

Hey Fred.....if you do the Mikuni conversion.....I guess altitude changes would affect it more as far as jetting than the stock CVC type carb......but it would have better performance correct??? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: > You can t buy just the diaphragm. Kawasaki wants about $140 for the slide and diaphragm and I can get you an after market one for about $40. Or better yet, I am working on a complete Mikuni carb kit that will run you about $200. The Mikuni doesn t use a diaphragm. > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:33 AM > To: SM > Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm > > So the diaphragm is permanently attached to the slide? Really? It > looks like it has a screwed collar, but if not, I'm screwed if I need > another one. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 3/20/2013 8:02 PM, SM wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody know what sort of wrench to use to get the carb diaphragm > > > off the slide? > > > > > > Pliers? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > You need a smoke wrench. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

Ron, It s not if but when I will have this kit completed. I have all the parts and have to make a couple more modifications before I am ready to release them. I should have this carb kit ready this week. The price is going to have to be slightly higher than what was previously mentioned. This kit I used to sell was sold for about $250 and that was not a plug and play type kit like this one will be. This kit will include extra jets so you can fine tune this carb to your bike, riding style and performance modifications. Also will be included new Tygon fuel line, fuel filter and hose clamps along with the new throttle and cable. All carburetors are effected by altitude and yes the CVK is effected less by elevation changes but it is still effected. The Mikuni carb allows the jetting to be changed much more easily than the CVK carb. You can changes jets and needle on the Mikuni with the carb on the bike. I doubt anyone that rides over any high mountains will want to stop and change jets unless they are going to stay riding at that elevation for a period of time. Otherwise like any other carb, you just deal with the loss of power at elevation and then once you are at lower elevations everything is fine again. Remember the rider and his dog that had his KLR jetted for sea level and then it wouldn t pull at elevation in Peru, (this was with a CVK carb too) had it rejetted for elevation and drove back to sea level without rejetting. Then the engine seized. DOH! It s much easier to deal with a slightly rich condition than running too lean and taking a chance on engine damage. You can jet this carb as lean as you want to get better fuel mileage. If everything else in your engine stays the same, you usually don t get better performance without burning more fuel. The advantage of the Mikuni direct pull type of carburetor is that you will notice a significant throttle response at low rpms through midrange. High rpm power will not change much as a wide open throttle on both carbs will be about the same. You can change the jets and needle on this carb much easier than the CVK, so you should be able to dial in what performance level you want. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Ron Criswell Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:46 AM To: Fred Hink Cc: SM ; RobertWichert ; mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm Hey Fred.....if you do the Mikuni conversion.....I guess altitude changes would affect it more as far as jetting than the stock CVC type carb......but it would have better performance correct??? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: You can t buy just the diaphragm. Kawasaki wants about $140 for the slide and diaphragm and I can get you an after market one for about $40. Or better yet, I am working on a complete Mikuni carb kit that will run you about $200. The Mikuni doesn t use a diaphragm. From: RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:33 AM To: SM Cc: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm So the diaphragm is permanently attached to the slide? Really? It looks like it has a screwed collar, but if not, I'm screwed if I need another one. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 3/20/2013 8:02 PM, SM wrote: > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > Does anybody know what sort of wrench to use to get the carb diaphragm > > off the slide? > > > > Pliers? > > > > > > -- > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > You need a smoke wrench. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ron Haraseth]

I'll reinforce what Fred states, I snuck up on my jetting my Mikuni from the VERY rich side down to where it runs well, probably still a little rich. I did a specific mileage run yesterday, 38 degrees not withstanding. Filled the tank, ran 54 miles of 75% 65-75 mph, all on pavement and refilled for 45 miles per gallon. I have a very tall and steep windshield, but this is about the same mileage I was getting with the CVK (w/drill & 22c mod). I have marked my throttle with marks and noted most of my cruising even at 65/70 was just below 1/2 throttle which is largely jetted with the needle/needle jet combo. And yes, installed as I have, you could access the needle and change the e-clip in under 2 minutes. Doesn't take much more to change the main and or needle jet. Even dropping the bowl is super quick as only the slide needs to be unscrewed and removed to twist the carb for access. I can t notice any real diff in full throttle power, but the action from idle up beyond mid throttle is definitely quicker/smoother/stronger. -----Original Message----- From: Fred Hink Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 10:10 AM To: Ron Criswell Cc: SM ; RobertWichert ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm Ron, It s not if but when I will have this kit completed. I have all the parts and have to make a couple more modifications before I am ready to release them. I should have this carb kit ready this week. The price is going to have to be slightly higher than what was previously mentioned. This kit I used to sell was sold for about $250 and that was not a plug and play type kit like this one will be. This kit will include extra jets so you can fine tune this carb to your bike, riding style and performance modifications. Also will be included new Tygon fuel line, fuel filter and hose clamps along with the new throttle and cable. All carburetors are effected by altitude and yes the CVK is effected less by elevation changes but it is still effected. The Mikuni carb allows the jetting to be changed much more easily than the CVK carb. You can changes jets and needle on the Mikuni with the carb on the bike. I doubt anyone that rides over any high mountains will want to stop and change jets unless they are going to stay riding at that elevation for a period of time. Otherwise like any other carb, you just deal with the loss of power at elevation and then once you are at lower elevations everything is fine again. Remember the rider and his dog that had his KLR jetted for sea level and then it wouldn t pull at elevation in Peru, (this was with a CVK carb too) had it rejetted for elevation and drove back to sea level without rejetting. Then the engine seized. DOH! It s much easier to deal with a slightly rich condition than running too lean and taking a chance on engine damage. You can jet this carb as lean as you want to get better fuel mileage. If everything else in your engine stays the same, you usually don t get better performance without burning more fuel. The advantage of the Mikuni direct pull type of carburetor is that you will notice a significant throttle response at low rpms through midrange. High rpm power will not change much as a wide open throttle on both carbs will be about the same. You can change the jets and needle on this carb much easier than the CVK, so you should be able to dial in what performance level you want. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Ron Criswell Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:46 AM To: Fred Hink Cc: SM ; RobertWichert ; mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm Hey Fred.....if you do the Mikuni conversion.....I guess altitude changes would affect it more as far as jetting than the stock CVC type carb......but it would have better performance correct??? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: You can t buy just the diaphragm. Kawasaki wants about $140 for the slide and diaphragm and I can get you an after market one for about $40. Or better yet, I am working on a complete Mikuni carb kit that will run you about $200. The Mikuni doesn t use a diaphragm. From: RobertWichert Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:33 AM To: SM Cc: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm So the diaphragm is permanently attached to the slide? Really? It looks like it has a screwed collar, but if not, I'm screwed if I need another one. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 =============================================== On 3/20/2013 8:02 PM, SM wrote: > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > Does anybody know what sort of wrench to use to get the carb diaphragm > > off the slide? > > > > Pliers? > > > > > > -- > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > You need a smoke wrench. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Members Map https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=212558560286766214899.0004d0fa9f1732283bb6f&msa=0&ll=38.522384,-109.489746&spn=6.831383,9.624023Yahoo! Groups Links

[ron criswell]

That is interesting Fred. Lemme know when you get the kit. I have heard some have been working on FI for KLR's. That was Punky and Lou I believe that rejected for high altitudes. Maybe ideal for all kinds of riding might be for around 800 ft. Funniest story about lean jetting (well maybe not funny), a guy I took a small engine repair class from. He is an ex road racer. He said 2 strokes will run real good before they sieve running too lean. He was running at Daytona once in practice laps....and said "Man this thing is running good. I think I will go one more lap." On the way to the hospital in the ambulance....he realized the one more lap was a bad decision. Oh.....my tire I put on that you sold me.....it quit leaking so I didn't tear it down again. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Mar 25, 2013, at 11:10 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: > Ron, > > It s not if but when I will have this kit completed. I have all the parts and have to make a couple more modifications before I am ready to release them. I should have this carb kit ready this week. The price is going to have to be slightly higher than what was previously mentioned. This kit I used to sell was sold for about $250 and that was not a plug and play type kit like this one will be. This kit will include extra jets so you can fine tune this carb to your bike, riding style and performance modifications. Also will be included new Tygon fuel line, fuel filter and hose clamps along with the new throttle and cable. > > All carburetors are effected by altitude and yes the CVK is effected less by elevation changes but it is still effected. The Mikuni carb allows the jetting to be changed much more easily than the CVK carb. You can changes jets and needle on the Mikuni with the carb on the bike. I doubt anyone that rides over any high mountains will want to stop and change jets unless they are going to stay riding at that elevation for a period of time. Otherwise like any other carb, you just deal with the loss of power at elevation and then once you are at lower elevations everything is fine again. Remember the rider and his dog that had his KLR jetted for sea level and then it wouldn t pull at elevation in Peru, (this was with a CVK carb too) had it rejetted for elevation and drove back to sea level without rejetting. Then the engine seized. DOH! It s much easier to deal with a slightly rich condition than running too lean and taking a chance on engine damage. You can jet this carb as lean as you want to get better fuel mileage. If everything else in your engine stays the same, you usually don t get better performance without burning more fuel. The advantage of the Mikuni direct pull type of carburetor is that you will notice a significant throttle response at low rpms through midrange. High rpm power will not change much as a wide open throttle on both carbs will be about the same. You can change the jets and needle on this carb much easier than the CVK, so you should be able to dial in what performance level you want. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: Ron Criswell > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:46 AM > To: Fred Hink > Cc: SM ; RobertWichert ; mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm > > Hey Fred.....if you do the Mikuni conversion.....I guess altitude changes would affect it more as far as jetting than the stock CVC type carb......but it would have better performance correct??? > > Criswell > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:42 AM, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > You can t buy just the diaphragm. Kawasaki wants about $140 for the slide and diaphragm and I can get you an after market one for about $40. Or better yet, I am working on a complete Mikuni carb kit that will run you about $200. The Mikuni doesn t use a diaphragm. > > From: RobertWichert > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:33 AM > To: SM > Cc: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Carb Diaphragm > > So the diaphragm is permanently attached to the slide? Really? It > looks like it has a screwed collar, but if not, I'm screwed if I need > another one. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 3/20/2013 8:02 PM, SM wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody know what sort of wrench to use to get the carb diaphragm > > > off the slide? > > > > > > Pliers? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > > > +1 916 966 9060 > > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > You need a smoke wrench. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

Don't forget the other important tool: 17 y/o son to pick up the bike and change your tire! grin. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, bobsum wrote: > > And if you are going to get a Vise-Grip, make sure you get the old USA > made unit. The new China sourced ones are made of soft steel and the > teeth go away the first time you put any pressure on them. BTW, Knipex > "Channel Locks" will act sort of like a vise-grip. If you push on the > rear handle, they just get tighter. >