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[Jim Douglas]

Lars Lemberg wrote:

> > In Virginia, I believe there is a law that allows motorcycles to > cautiously proceed through a red light if the sensor does not pick up > the presence of a motorcycle. I just searched the Code of Virginia a > bit but could not find the exact paragraph. I found the law that > discusses proceeding through an intersection when the traffic light is > malfunctioning, so that might be what I am thinking of. I wonder if > the judge would agree that not triggering the sensor is "malfunctioning" ? > > I did find this law, though: > Code of Virginia 46.2-911.1. Operation of motor-driven cycles on > public highways prohibited. > No person shall operate a motor-driven cycle on or over any public > highway > in the Commonwealth. (2006, cc. 529, 538.) > > http://leg1. state.va. us/cgi-bin/ legp504.exe? 000+cod+46. 2-911.1 > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504 ... 46.2-911.1> > > HUH? ???!!!??? > Lars in VA, a rebel who blatantly violates Paragraph 46.2 Section > 911.1 all year round. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

That's what I do, used to leave at 5:00AM and had to run red lights in two spots on the way to work, one was easy as you could see but the other was at a bottom of a hill and could not see well to the right, didn't see any headlights and zooom................

[Mike Frey]

A significant percentage of intersections in PA are "NO TURN ON RED", so I'd be breaking the law anyway. I do as you described when I can - but U-Turns are frequently both dangerous and illegal. In this part of the country, there are a lot of blind spots, hills, curves, etc. The most safe thing to do is to turn right, make the next left turn, find a place to turn around, then go back to the intersection that you originally wanted to go through. That's what I usually do. In many examples, the most safe way is to break the law: go through the red after checking carefully in both directions, just as if it were a stop sign. Dan Taylor wrote:

> > What about simply making a right turn, then a quick U-turn, and then > another right turn on the same street that you were wanting to cross? > It's worked for me . . . > >

[dooden]

FWIW a "motordriven cycle" is a bike with a assist motor that helps turn the wheel, otherwise its called a motorcycle. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Lars Lemberg" wrote:

> > In Virginia, I believe there is a law that allows motorcycles to

cautiously proceed through a red light if the sensor does not pick up the presence of a motorcycle. I just searched the Code of Virginia a bit but could not find the exact paragraph. I found the law that discusses proceeding through an intersection when the traffic light is malfunctioning, so that might be what I am thinking of. I wonder if the judge would agree that not triggering the sensor is "malfunctioning"?

> > I did find this law, though: > Code of Virginia 46.2-911.1. Operation of motor-driven cycles on

public highways prohibited.

> No person shall operate a motor-driven cycle on or over any public

highway

> in the Commonwealth. (2006, cc. 529, 538.) > > http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-911.1 > > HUH? ???!!!??? > Lars in VA, a rebel who blatantly violates Paragraph 46.2 Section

911.1 all year round.

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Lars Lemberg]

Dooden, Yeah, I know, but the way the law is worded sounded curious and caught my attention. Lars A20 Soylent Green

>FWIW a "motordriven cycle" is a bike with a assist motor that helps turn >the wheel, otherwise its called a motorcycle. >Dooden >A15 Green Ape >> Code of Virginia 46.2-911.1. Operation of motor-driven cycles on public >> highways prohibited. >> No person shall operate a motor-driven cycle on or over any public >> highway in the Commonwealth. (2006, cc. 529, 538.)

[Ron Magen]

3d. Re: Change that Red light to Green Posted by: "Mike Frey" mike21b@... mike17543 Date: Tue Feb 3, 2009 11:14 am ((PST)) A significant percentage of intersections in PA are . . . Mike, and all, {Been 'lurking' for a month or so . . . got an IMMACULATE 2003 KLR650 end of December, and have been doing some 'research' before April 'Safety Class' & riding season.} WHERE in PA ? Looking for some local KLR riders that I can 'get some learning' from. Now to the 'Subject under discussion' . . . In my research I keep seeing advertized, by several manufacturers, devices that claim to do exactly what you are discussing. Yet I haven't 'heard' any of them mentioned. Are they ALL so much bilge? I KNOW there are such devices . . . ambulances and other emergency vehicles have them to get all 'Green' lights on their runs. Regards & Thanks, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop

[Ron Magen]

Don, That's what I had in mind {mentioned in my first comment}, and the legality was also my concern. Ron PS - just looked at your photo album - 'Moonscapes' . . . really looked good !!

----- Original Message ----- From: Don Hornung To: Ron Magen Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 19:35 Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green Ron: I know that many of the lights on the main roads around here (southcentral Pennsylvania) can be triggered to go green by ambulances and police cars, etc using some sort of light beam. But I would think that it might be / would be illegal for civilian use. Don R100, A6F --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ron Magen wrote: From: Ron Magen Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green To: "Spike55" Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 1:17 PM Don, Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the delay getting back to you. After finding an 'advert' that went into a little more description, I didn't realize that they ALL worked via the magnetic field. {the 'methodology' seems to use a very weak MAD system}. What I had in mind was an ELECTRONIC system that 'spoke' with the light controller. Regards & Thanks, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Spike55" To: "Ron Magen" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 20:21 Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green As posted earlier in this thread - they DON'T WORK. The sensitivity of the light trigger antenna buried in the pavement is set too low to pick up a motorcycle, so it never turns green. It might work if you carried a powerful 50 pound magnet under the engine but these little store-bought units are a waste of money. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Horton Oliphant]

Posted earlier: If one actually owned and used a device that would take command of the Opticom systems on intersections, I'm sure it would be illegal. Other systems may be used in other areas of the country but at least in central Iowa most are Opticom systems. Google Opticom for more information. I just mention this because I think some one mentioned on demand lights. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa Ron Magen wrote:

> Don, > That's what I had in mind {mentioned in my first comment}, and the legality was also my concern. > > Ron > PS - just looked at your photo album - 'Moonscapes' . . . really looked good !! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Hornung > To: Ron Magen > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 19:35 > Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green > > > Ron: > I know that many of the lights on the main roads around here (southcentral Pennsylvania) can be triggered to go green by ambulances and police cars, etc using some sort of light beam. But I would think that it might be / would be illegal for civilian use. > > Don R100, A6F > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ron Magen wrote: > > > From: Ron Magen > Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green > To: "Spike55" > Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 1:17 PM > > > Don, > Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the delay getting back to you. > > After finding an 'advert' that went into a little more description, I didn't realize that they ALL worked via the magnetic field. {the 'methodology' seems to use a very weak MAD system}. What I had in mind was an ELECTRONIC system that 'spoke' with the light controller. > > Regards & Thanks, > Ron Magen > Backyard Boatshop > >

[Jim Douglas]

Horton Oliphant wrote:

> > Posted earlier: > > If one actually owned and used a device that would take command of the > Opticom systems on intersections, I'm sure it would be illegal. Other > systems may be used in other areas of the country but at least in > central Iowa most are Opticom systems. Google Opticom for more > information. > > I just mention this because I think some one mentioned on demand lights. > > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa > > Ron Magen wrote: > > Don, > > That's what I had in mind {mentioned in my first comment}, and the > legality was also my concern. > > > > Ron > > PS - just looked at your photo album - 'Moonscapes' . . . really > looked good !! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Hornung > > To: Ron Magen > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 19:35 > > Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green > > > > > > Ron: > > I know that many of the lights on the main roads around here > (southcentral Pennsylvania) can be triggered to go green by ambulances > and police cars, etc using some sort of light beam. But I would think > that it might be / would be illegal for civilian use. > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > --- On Thu, 2/12/09, Ron Magen > wrote: > > > > > > From: Ron Magen > > > Subject: Re: Change that Red light to Green > > To: "Spike55" > > > Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 1:17 PM > > > > > > Don, > > Thanks for the reply. Sorry about the delay getting back to you. > > > > After finding an 'advert' that went into a little more description, > I didn't realize that they ALL worked via the magnetic field. {the > 'methodology' seems to use a very weak MAD system}. What I had in mind > was an ELECTRONIC system that 'spoke' with the light controller. > > > > Regards & Thanks, > > Ron Magen > > Backyard Boatshop > > > > > >

While looking for that on Google also do it for 'schematic for traffic light changer' or click here http://www.i-hacked.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=176 Of course I would never break the law and create on of these and test it only to find that it's not perfect and will only work if you are pointing DIRECTLY at the.........oops TMI.......................... Like I have said before, when I was working, leaving around 5;30AM, would have to wait, ALWAYS at only two lights, first on I would run or turn right and right again, the next one I would wait about 30 seconds double check both ways and went right through it, after all those lights are recommendations right?

[dooden]

The guy has said he is sorry... At least it did'nt bring up what motor oil or chain oil to use on it. How many forget to put NKLR in subject lines ? Left off NKLR on purpose... Dooden A15 Green Ape