first ride of the year; wasilla ak.

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 02:19:20PM -0700, Doug Herr wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Jun 2004, takes2serious wrote: > > > The obvious reason to add one is to keep dirt out of your carb and > > engine. > > > > The only down side is the $5 cost, the five minute install, and the > > aditional point of failure over a straight fuel line. > > > > This assumes you buy a good one that isn't going to hinder fuel > > flow. I'm using a 90 degree sintered bronze filter that I got from > > Fred at arrowhead motorsports. > > That reply covered it exactly right. There is not much more to > say other then then fact that this should be a "must do" item > since rust in the gas tank is pretty common for these guys.

Uh, maybe. I would be interested in an explanation of how, exactly, rust would get past the filter sock on the petcock; unless that sock is missing, in which case at least an in-line filter will get the rust before it gets into the carb, but leave it clogging up the petcock (not good!). Those filter socks don't just fall off, either; you or a DPO would have to have taken the socks off on purpose and not put them back on before reinstalling the petcock in the tank. Doesn't seem like a common mistake to me. I've seen even "high flow" fuel filters meant for small engines create a lean condition on the KLR, particularly when the bike's right near the optimum switch-over point from main to reserve pickup on the petcock and there's not as much fuel pressure anyway. For that reason alone, I wouldn't put one on my bike. Thor

[KLR Rider - Scott Adams]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor Lancelot Simon" > Those filter socks don't just fall off, either; you or a DPO would have > to have taken the socks off on purpose and not put them back on before > reinstalling the petcock in the tank. Doesn't seem like a common mistake > to me. Would have to disagree with Thor on this one - have heard about them laying on the bottom of the tank several times. And to make this an even more interesting discussion - when I took mine off last week there was NO filter on the reserve tube (or the reserve side since there really is no tube) AND NONE IN THE TANK! PO????? -Scott

[Devon]

tls@... wrote:

>Uh, maybe. > >I would be interested in an explanation of how, exactly, rust would >get past the filter sock on the petcock; unless that sock is missing, >in which case at least an in-line filter will get the rust before it >gets into the carb, but leave it clogging up the petcock (not good!). > >Those filter socks don't just fall off, either; you or a DPO would have >to have taken the socks off on purpose and not put them back on before >reinstalling the petcock in the tank. Doesn't seem like a common mistake >to me. >

Most likely some dipsh*t at the factory knocked it off installing the petcock and didn't notice. Or the DPO did it and didn't notice.

> >I've seen even "high flow" fuel filters meant for small engines create a >lean condition on the KLR, particularly when the bike's right near the >optimum switch-over point from main to reserve pickup on the petcock >

I have had big problems with this, and no longer run an inline filter. BUT I did double check the fuel taps to make certain the screens are in place. I also gutted the valve in the fuel tank cap (was having vacuum problems) and converted the fuel tap to manual operation, all in an effort to diagnose the fuel starvation and hot-running problems I was having on the highway. Everything made a small difference, but removing the inline filter finally did it. Devon

[rsanders30117]

The screen in the fuel tank of a KLR650 is a pretty coarse filter. The holes in the sock are big enough the see with the naked eye. Any after market fuel filter will have finer filter capability that the OEM intake sock. I prefer to catch the fine particles in a disposable fuel filter rather than have them accumulate within the carburetor. There's a risk of running lean if you don't change the fuel filter periodically but that's just an indication that it's working properly. Given the tiny caburetor passageways & orifices, I'll stick with having a fuel filter.

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Devon wrote: > > > tls@r... wrote: > > >Uh, maybe. > > > >I would be interested in an explanation of how, exactly, rust would > >get past the filter sock on the petcock; unless that sock is missing, > >in which case at least an in-line filter will get the rust before it > >gets into the carb, but leave it clogging up the petcock (not good!). > > > >Those filter socks don't just fall off, either; you or a DPO would have > >to have taken the socks off on purpose and not put them back on before > >reinstalling the petcock in the tank. Doesn't seem like a common mistake > >to me. > > > Most likely some dipsh*t at the factory knocked it off installing the > petcock and didn't notice. Or the DPO did it and didn't notice. > > > > >I've seen even "high flow" fuel filters meant for small engines create a > >lean condition on the KLR, particularly when the bike's right near the > >optimum switch-over point from main to reserve pickup on the petcock > > > I have had big problems with this, and no longer run an inline filter. > BUT I did double check the fuel taps to make certain the screens are in > place. I also gutted the valve in the fuel tank cap (was having vacuum > problems) and converted the fuel tap to manual operation, all in an > effort to diagnose the fuel starvation and hot-running problems I was > having on the highway. Everything made a small difference, but removing > the inline filter finally did it. > > Devon

[jasonsail]

I purchased a 90 degree fuel filter from Fred and I was wondering what these washers were for that came with the filter? Also, if anyone can give me tip on how and where to install this let me know, I assume it just hangs in line from the tank to the carb. Thanks, Jason

[Guy B. Young II]

Jason, Can't comment on Fred's (or the washers), but the link shows mine: http://www.mindspring.com/~gbyoung2/misc/klrstuff/inlinefilter.jpg I put this one on before Fred had the 90-deg. version available. From everything I have read, just make sure there are no kinks what-so-ever in the line. Prune as necessary to see that this happens or you may have issues with fuel starvation. I've had no problems with mine; works great to filter out the big chunks. Guy A16 Richmond, VA -----Original Message----- From: jasonsail Sent: Feb 27, 2005 12:27 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fuel Filter I purchased a 90 degree fuel filter from Fred and I was wondering what these washers were for that came with the filter? Also, if anyone can give me tip on how and where to install this let me know, I assume it just hangs in line from the tank to the carb. Thanks, Jason Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links

[Fred Hink]

Jason, Check items number four on my invoice. DOH! I put your crush washers in the baggie with your filter so they wouldn't get lost. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/cmc.html

----- Original Message ----- From: "jasonsail" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fuel Filter > > > I purchased a 90 degree fuel filter from Fred and I was wondering what these washers > were for that came with the filter? Also, if anyone can give me tip on how and where to > install this let me know, I assume it just hangs in line from the tank to the carb. > > Thanks, > > Jason

[Rodney Copeland]

That's pretty funny Fred, you trickey Devil! HHHHAAAAARRRR!!!! Hey Jason! I don't know how Guy's fuel filter even works, the way he has it routed. It's got too big of a dip in the line to have worked for me. Guy! Did you defeat your vaccuum petcock? Sheesh! When I had a big dip in the fuel line below the inlet on the carb, I ran out of fuel at exactly half a tank like clockwork at least 10 times. I'm hopein Fred's filter flows toward the 90deg section of the filter. That seems to be the perfect configuration for the KLR. My advice so Jason doesn't have nightmares tryin to install a fuel filter, (cuz some just say to hell with it), is to make sure the fuel line does not dip below the inlet on the carb. Remember also, that the inlet on the carb swivels, so you can position it toward the motor to insure your filter installation is elevated as possible. It seems to be Ok if a bit of your filter housing is below the inlet on the carb, but the line going into the filter and comeing out really needs to be at or above the level of the inlet on the carb. Please believe me! Rod

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > Jason, > > Check items number four on my invoice. DOH! > > I put your crush washers in the baggie with your filter so they wouldn't get > lost. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/cmc.html > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jasonsail" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:27 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fuel Filter > > > > > > > > I purchased a 90 degree fuel filter from Fred and I was wondering what > these washers > > were for that came with the filter? Also, if anyone can give me tip on how > and where to > > install this let me know, I assume it just hangs in line from the tank to > the carb. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jason

[danschaeeff]

HI I HAVE A 1986 KLR 600 WHICH HAS SOME RUST IN THE FUEL TANK WHICH I PLAN TO DRAIN. WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD INLINE FUEL FILTER FOR THIS BIKE. THANKS DAN

[klr6501995]

At sea level I'v been using the little sintered bronze types available at most bike shops and a few lawn tools repair shops. The most important thing with a fuel filter on the klr is closer and vertical to the carb. Prevents vapor lock. With a fuel filter, I removed the filter screens inside of the tank at the main and reserve tube. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "danschaeeff" wrote:

> > HI I HAVE A 1986 KLR 600 WHICH HAS SOME RUST IN THE FUEL TANK WHICH I > PLAN TO DRAIN. WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD INLINE FUEL FILTER FOR THIS BIKE. > THANKS DAN >