nklr: planning trip thru s. nevada: local feedback?

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, John Kokola wrote:

> > False, sorry. Friction = (coefficient of friction) x (normal force). > There may be more surface area, but there is no greater normal force > applied.

Okay, so maybe coefficient of friction increased due to the rougher rotor. Whatever. All I know is that my old grooved OEM rotor stopped my KLR in almost as short a distance as my new smooth oversized EBC rotor, and as the EBC rotor wore in and became rougher, my KLR stopped faster. The actual mechanism involved isn't as interesting here as observing the actual behavior.

> E.L. Green wrote: > > If the grooves are fairly shallow and evenly distributed > > and will use up less than 10% of the brake pad to get it bedded in, they actually will

help

> > you stop faster than a "clean" rotor once the new pads are bedded in due to creating

more

> > friction surface. > > >

[Gary]

Minimum thickenss? Wear limit??? I put over 80,000 on the front and back rotors and had no idea there is a wear limit on them. Regards,Gary --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Nelson wrote:

> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:44:58PM -0700, David Farrell wrote: > > > Do you just change pads? > > If the rotor is good, yes. But I would also clean and inspect the

caliper.

> > > Do you change pads and have the rotors turned. If so, > > what is the min. spec. > > No, never. Motorcycle rotors are way too thin to allow that. The

min

> thickness is stamped on the rotor somewhere near the hub. It's

usually

> something like 4mm. > > > Do you change pads and install a new rotor. New > > rotors are $153 from Ron Ayers (Ouch) > > That entirely depends on the condition of the rotor. It's a

judgement call,

> as long as the minimum thickness is observed. > > Michael > > PS: If any doubt, replace the rotor. > > -- > "It's not what I don't understand about religion that bothers me,

it's what

> I do understand." -- Mark Twain > > San Francisco, CA >

[Fred Hink]

Hedrek, This is a family and do you want your daughter reading this type of language? Others don't. Please clean it up. Fred List Admin.

----- Original Message ----- From: Hedrek To: Gary ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Changing Brake pads - Do you turn rotors? I never turn rotors. Sorry boys, I'm good.

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, matteeanne@... wrote:

> If your not an experienced long distance rider I think you will find 300 miles a day to be

a pain in the ass. I find 500 miles per day to be a pleasant ride, at least on my KLR (on my old Concours my knees would start aching, but that's because I have bad knees). Granted, my KLR is outfitted with a Corbin seat and highway pegs, but a WeeStrom is pretty comfortable too. 300 miles a day is no big deal. The Iron Butt association won't even give you a button until you do 1000 miles in a day.

> If any of this ride is off road,

Uhm, it's a rental WeeStrom. The rental agreement (as well as the crappy OEM tires) will prohibit him from taking it off-pavement. Regarding November and weather -- 1st week of November should be a pretty safe time to take that ride. It'll get nippy in places though. Consider either bringing a heated vest and a harness to hook it to the battery, or prepare to layer up in the cooler sections. Towards late November you could get an early snow-storm, but I've ridden the high passes of the Sierras in early November (much higher elevation) without a problem. Do keep an eye on the Weather Channel though and adjust your plans accordingly.

> ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tom Dudones > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 1, 2007 8:31:05 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR: Planning trip thru S. Nevada: Local feedback? > > > I'm renting a bike _ 650 V-Strom_ in Phoenix the 1st week of November and > planning a 4 day ride up thru Southern Nevada. The route will total about > 1200 miles and will include the Oatman section of Old 66, around Las Vegas > (what's the best way to avoid it?!) and Death Valley. Then up to Tonopah_ > with maybe a detour on hwy 266 (or is it too late in the year for that high > country?). From there, down 375_ the Extraterrestrial Hwy :eek1 to Ash > Spring and over into Utah on 93/319/56 and down to St George on 18. Then > it'll be I-15 down to Vegas and back to Phoenix on 93. > This will be new territory for me and I've got a few questions for > anyone who's familiar with this area. As November is late Fall up where I > live (we can get snow before Columbus Day in the Adirondacks), I'm wondering > if any of this route will likely put me up high enough to encounter > snow/ice. Death Valley and around Vegas should be fine, but what about the > sections up around Tonopah and hwy 266 thru Oasis? Any other factors to > watch for on my route as far as weather goes? And is there a good (ie, less > traffic) way to get around Vegas, both on the northbound leg and heading > back from St George? I'd really appreciate some feedback on this from any > "locals" who know this region. Thanks

[From Josh]

No, it really isn't anything like that. To: zero.cool@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comFrom: hedrek@...: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:28:09 -0700Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Changing Brake pads - Do you turn rotors? I never turn rotors. It's like asking the puto who*****your wife to ***her again. And they guy whowants to ****back into speck the same. Sorry boys,I'm good. Nah, my pads will grind that baby back to black.H--- Gary wrote:> Minimum thickenss? Wear limit???> I put over 80,000 on the front and back rotors and> had no idea there > is a wear limit on them.> Regards,Gary > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Nelson> > wrote:> >> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:44:58PM -0700, David> Farrell wrote:> > > > > Do you just change pads?> > > > If the rotor is good, yes. But I would also clean> and inspect the > caliper.> > > > > Do you change pads and have the rotors turned. > If so,> > > what is the min. spec.> > > > No, never. Motorcycle rotors are way too thin to> allow that. The > min> > thickness is stamped on the rotor somewhere near> the hub. It's > usually> > something like 4mm.> > > > > Do you change pads and install a new rotor. New> > > rotors are $153 from Ron Ayers (Ouch)> > > > That entirely depends on the condition of the> rotor. It's a > judgement call,> > as long as the minimum thickness is observed.> > > > Michael> > > > PS: If any doubt, replace the rotor.> > > > -- > > "It's not what I don't understand about religion> that bothers me, > it's what> > I do understand." -- Mark Twain> > > > San Francisco, CA> >> > > Robert HedrickAlbuquerque, NM__________________________________________________________Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.http://tv.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf . Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ocpianoman]

Since pads are lots cheaper than rotors, I go with organic and NOT sintered pads. Makes the rotors last longer, but the pads wear out quicker. I don't bother with turning the rotors, why remove material and make the rotors thinner? I worry that these thin bike rotors would warp if turned. You just have to make sure to drive conservatively until the pads are well seated. The rotor on my VX800 was toast at 41k miles. I just bit the bullet and got an EBC for about $180 and use the organic pads. The KLR is still waiting for a valve job so the brakes aren't getting any wear at the moment, daggamit!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, David Farrell wrote: > > My rear brake pads are right at the end of their life > (About 17,000 miles on a '99 model). The Rotor does > not look real smooth. I was wondering what the > consensus was on the rotor situation when installing > new pads. > > Opinions needed on: > > Do you just change pads? > > Do you change pads and have the rotors turned. If so, > what is the min. spec. > > Do you change pads and install a new rotor. New > rotors are $153 from Ron Ayers (Ouch) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC >