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dooden
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hi/low beam

Post by dooden » Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:45 pm

They don't see, cause they choose not to. HI beam on unless nighttime I might get a blink from oncoming, and then switch to LO, but I hang to the right shoulder and the HI generally does not invoke a blink. Just always remember right of way is great if you live to testify about it. Simple rule: "Laws of Gross Tonnage are ALWAYS in effect" Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Donald Dickerson wrote:
> > Riding with high beam on all the time shouldn't hurt. On the other > hand, if they don't see the low beam, they aren't looking. And they > likely pulled out in front of you because you are on a bike, ergo, they > are more important than you, and you are supposed to grant them right > of way. Doggone murdersickles ain't supposed to be on the street, don't > ya know!? > > Ride like no one can see you. They can't. > > > > --- Dooden wrote: > > > Pretty much leave mine on Hi beam all the time. ;-) > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Wood" > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I was wondering what your opinions are on riding during daylight > > > hours with the high beam on? > > > So far I have 390 miles on the new KLR and 3 times I've had cages > > > > > pull right out in front of me on two lane roads. Might just be a > > run of > > > bad luck but I'm thinking the low beam mode is not visable enough > > > during the day. > > > > > > Thanks - > > > > > > Tony Wood > > > Warrenton, MO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat
them.
> > Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who
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> > "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not
exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure." -- Helen Keller
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Kimosabe
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hi/low beam

Post by Kimosabe » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:33 pm

High for day and night. Low when in traffic at night. When I'm approaching a busy intersection day or night, or when I suspect in the least that someone may not have seen me, I flash the beams. This includes any appproaching vehicles, vehicles I'm behind, vehicles that are on intersecting streets entering mine, ANYONE that I think might hit me or cause an accident. Needless to say, I flash them a lot, day and night. Steve in Niceville.
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > Pretty much leave mine on Hi beam all the time. ;-) > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Wood" wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I was wondering what your opinions are on riding during daylight > > hours with the high beam on? > > So far I have 390 miles on the new KLR and 3 times I've had cages > > pull right out in front of me on two lane roads. Might just be a run of > > bad luck but I'm thinking the low beam mode is not visable enough > > during the day. > > > > Thanks - > > > > Tony Wood > > Warrenton, MO. > > >

LD
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hi/low beam

Post by LD » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:31 pm

When I see a car that I'm concerned might pull out in front of me, I toggle the high and low beam to provide modulation. Moving forward, I'll add the oscillation move that Jeff suggested. I'm hoping I'll be able to toggle the headlight, ocillate and chew gum at the same time... --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Dennis Griffin
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hi/low beam

Post by Dennis Griffin » Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:43 pm

I have a little different perspective on this topic. Consider your reaction the next time a squid approaches you with both headlamps on high, or the HD rider with his single headlamp on high, plus the two adjacent, blazing driving beams. My reaction is to look away, because I'm being blinded. And yes, I'm talking daytime. You may not notice it as much on your KLR as you might in a cage, because your ass, and therefore your line of vision, is further from the pavement, therefore further above the line of projection of properly adjusted headlight high beams. Isn't the idea to be seen, not looked away from? This effect probably isn't nearly as great with the single, smallish headlamp of the KLR, but under some circumstances, it could be. Same principle applies when overtaking a cage. If their rearview mirrors are properly adjusted, high beams will put a blinding flash of light right in their eyes. Many cage drivers are already pissed at motorcycle riders, for whatever reason. Do we really want to aggravate them further? Flashing high beam(s) can suggest aggressive driving behavior, pissing off fellow motorists and potentially leading to roadside chats with law enforcement types. As some have suggested, riding like you're invisible is always wise. Keeping your wits about you at all times is certainly also well advised. Beside doing those things, I install a Kisan Pathblazer (headlight modulator) on all my bikes, as well as their turn signal to running light conversions and brake light pulsator. I recently bought a VStrom 1000, and that was about the first thing I did to it. Modulating the high beams doesn't dazzle oncoming motorists, but it definitely gets, and tends to hold, their attention. Since they are constantly modulating, which I believe is legal in all states during daylight hours, you have a defensible argument if you are stopped. I never have been, and many LE types have seen me. Nor has anyone turned in front of me, near enough to cause concern, or come into my lane when overtaking. It has worked for me for many years, the last 27 in the Phoenix metro area, so I'm sticking with it. Happy trails, Dennis
On Feb 13, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Kimosabe wrote: > High for day and night. Low when in traffic at night. > > When I'm approaching a busy intersection day or night, or when I > suspect in the least that someone may not have seen me, I flash the > beams. > > This includes any appproaching vehicles, vehicles I'm behind, > vehicles that are on intersecting streets entering mine, ANYONE that > I think might hit me or cause an accident. > > Needless to say, I flash them a lot, day and night. > > Steve in Niceville. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > Pretty much leave mine on Hi beam all the time. ;-) > > > > Dooden > > A15 Green Ape > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Wood" wrote: > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > > I was wondering what your opinions are on riding during > daylight > > > hours with the high beam on? >> . > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ed Chait
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hi/low beam

Post by Ed Chait » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:19 pm

I used to use the high beam all the time in daylight until I replaced the stock switch with the aftermarket one that has the very convenient button that flashes the high beam. I find it extremely useful and effective to flash my high beam at intersections and whenever I suspect someone isn't registering my presence, which I assume is always. So now I usually have my low beam on so that I can flash the high when necessary, which is often when I'm riding in town. When I'm doing more highway-type riding, I generally still leave my high beam on. ed A17

teamster1997
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hi/low beam

Post by teamster1997 » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:04 pm

A very good rule of thumb as was suggested by another poster, always assume you are invisible to other motorists, THAT INCLUDES OTHER MOTORCYCLISTS!!! On every bike I've owned for about the last ten years now, I have put some kind of lights other than my headlight on the bike. I usually use a good set of fog lights. I have some 35 watt Piaa's on my KLR now and keep them on all the time. The reason I put extra lights on the bikes is because I think a single headlight tends to blend in with other vehicles headlights that are behind you. Adding two extra lights tends to break up that single headlight pattern. I aim the lights at the same angle as my low beam is so as not to blind the drivers in front of me. I also use a 90/100 watt yellowish type headlight which helps my visibility during the rainy and foggy rides that I frequently have during my commutes to Seattle, and I think it helps to distinguish my headlight from most others. I do not flash my high beams at anybody waiting in a driveway or side street any more, because to many times motorists have assumed I was giving them the OK to pull out onto the street in front of me. I have been using the oscillation method for years (I never knew it was called that) and it seems to work rather well. I think it helps to separate my bike from objects behind me and I also think it helps them to judge the distance between me and them. About the only time I use high beams during the daylight any more is while I'm riding in downtown streets or heavily congested areas (daylight only). I only use my high beams at night when there are no other vehicles in front of me to blind. The proceeding has worked for me very well for many years now. I hope these thoughts help. Take care, Tim in Shelton
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Wood" wrote: > > Hello All, > > I was wondering what your opinions are on riding during daylight > hours with the high beam on? > So far I have 390 miles on the new KLR and 3 times I've had cages > pull right out in front of me on two lane roads. Might just be a run of > bad luck but I'm thinking the low beam mode is not visable enough > during the day. > > Thanks - > > Tony Wood > Warrenton, MO. >

Ronald Criswell
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hi/low beam

Post by Ronald Criswell » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:22 am

Gives them a target or something to aim at or fixate on. Seriously, it is probably a good idea to ride with high beam but the idiots in cages are so detached from the driving experience it is best just to be on guard at all situations and put as much air between you and them as you can (even if that means speeding a little to get away from the pack). I would much rather ride with the idiots on a freeway than a busy city street with multiple areas for them to pull out or turn in front of you at the last minute. Ahh ... to answer that cell phone or swat the kid is much more important than your ass (to them). You are a nuisance to them. Trust me, they would blame the accident on you if they killed you. Criswell
On Feb 13, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Tony Wood wrote: > Hello All, > > I was wondering what your opinions are on riding during daylight > hours with the high beam on? > So far I have 390 miles on the new KLR and 3 times I've had cages > pull right out in front of me on two lane roads. Might just be a > run of > bad luck but I'm thinking the low beam mode is not visable enough > during the day. > > Thanks - > > Tony Wood > Warrenton, MO. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ronald Criswell
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hi/low beam

Post by Ronald Criswell » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:11 am

I wouldn't do that. Most dips would think you are signaling for them to go ahead a pullout. Criswell
On Feb 13, 2007, at 4:31 PM, LD wrote: > When I see a car that I'm concerned might pull out in front of me, > I toggle the high and low beam to provide modulation. > Moving forward, I'll add the oscillation move that Jeff suggested. > I'm hoping I'll be able to toggle the headlight, ocillate and chew > gum at the same time... > > > --------------------------------- > Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask > your question on Yahoo! Answers. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ed Chait
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hi/low beam

Post by Ed Chait » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:34 am

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Criswell" To: "LD" Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Hi/Low Beam >I wouldn't do that. Most dips would think you are signaling for them > to go ahead a pullout. > > Criswell > > On Feb 13, 2007, at 4:31 PM, LD wrote: > >> When I see a car that I'm concerned might pull out in front of me, >> I toggle the high and low beam to provide modulation. >> Moving forward, I'll add the oscillation move that Jeff suggested. >> I'm hoping I'll be able to toggle the headlight, ocillate and chew >> gum at the same time... >> >> I don't agree. I think the great majority of people would think that you are trying to get their attention that you exist. I have never had anyone pull out on me as a result of flashing my high beam. On the other hand, I have seen plenty of people hit their brakes and stop rolling. ed A17

Blake Sobiloff
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hi/low beam

Post by Blake Sobiloff » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:45 am

On 2/14/07, Ed Chait wrote:
> I don't agree. I think the great majority of people would think that you > are trying to get their attention that you exist.
People in cars are like deer on the side of the road: You can never be certain how they'll react to a given stimulus. -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA)

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