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[Willy J]

I think the loud pipes save lives arguement is out the window now with the advent of Ricer Fart Pipes. Now its just irritating to hear the loud racuous noise of what belongs on a two stroke. hal gainous wrote: listening to a bike that is a 10,000 feet away while you try and enjoy the outdoors doesn't matter if in your back yard or camping. listening to the ocean while your at the beach with 3 jet ski.s i can't think of a better way to tell someone you don't know and or can't see-- screw you I'm the only one that matters--

> [Original Message] > From: Mike Frey > To: KLR List > Date: 8/16/2006 2:43:55 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Loud Pipes Save Lives > > > The loud pipes save lives argument is one of the most lame in all of > motorcycling. > > I am legally deaf. Therefore, how are loud pipes going to save you in > the unlikely (I say UNLIKELY because I am, as a fellow motorcycle rider, > vigilant for bikes on the road) event that I make a turn into your lane > or pull out in front of you? They're not. I can't really hear bikes > except for the REALLY loud ones in my car, truck or on my motorcycles. > > OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the right to have a > stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers unable to hear the > sounds of traffic around them. It does not necessarily make them a bad > driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver to hear it above the > sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo at reasonable levels. > > But, you can bet your ass that others hear you people who are trying > to have a nice peaceful picnic in their back yard, park, or wherever. > Those people are no threat to a motorcycle rider. > > ...I can t remember the last time I read about a picnic table pulling > out in front of a biker. > > Many of the same Loud pipes save lives crowd will go through the > trouble, after assuring that they have the baddest, loudest bike around, > will go through the trouble of DISCONNECTING the auto headlight switch. > Oh, and many of them are in shorts and without helmets, too. So... it's > a safety thing, right? Suuuure. > > Off road, the problem is different. It doesn t matter what state you > live in; noise is one of the top reasons for land closures everywhere in > the USA. You may think that you are offending nobody, out in the middle > of the desert or forest, your bike roaring away, but someone hears you > and doesn t like it. Wildlife is also offended, and if you don t care > about that, then you don t belong there in the first place. > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at:

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[Blake Sobiloff]

On Aug 16, 2006, at 10:00 PM, John & Rosie Wong wrote:

> I'm not a big fan of loud pipes. But, I will say this. I live in CA > where lane splitting is legal. I notice much sooner the loud bikes > splitting lanes before I notice the ones with the quiet pipes.

...and I notice those bikes with headlight modulators much sooner than I notice the bikes with loud exhausts. Hmmmm.... -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA)

[Michael Hightower]

I'll throw in my two cents. It can certainly be argued that the sound of a motorcycle is part of its defensive strategy. Much like wearing a colorful jacket, the point is not that it's your ultimate defense, but something else that gives you a slight advantage. And really, every defensive aspect of a motorcycle is a slight advantage. So, it's not beyond reason that you would want to have every advantage available. However, I will also argue that pretty much every motorcycle is loud enough to be noticed in the few situations where it's effective. Straight pipes are rarely going to help prevent people turning left in front of you--and that's when you need the most advantage. In fact, the sound of the exhaust is pretty much useless in all situations except passing (in my opinion). But when passing, I think most all bikes are loud enough to be noticed by the majority of folks, as John alluded to below--he notices loud bikes sooner, but he still notices the quiet ones. So while most folks with straight pipes tend to be complete a-holes, I don't know if it's fair to ascribe their behavior to the entire concept of sound's significance in riding. Yeah, there's a point where the exhaust it too loud and you're just being a jerk, not benefitting yourself, and making life unpleasant for those around you. But remember, those guys are jerks.... ...With that said, I wish my exhaust were a bit quieter. I get really worried about disturbing my neighbors. - Mike -----Original Message----- From: John & Rosie Wong [mailto:the-wongs2453@...] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:01 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Loud Pipes Save Lives I'm not a big fan of loud pipes. But, I will say this. I live in CA where lane splitting is legal. I notice much sooner the loud bikes splitting lanes before I notice the ones with the quiet pipes. My KLR has a stock pipe and I startle a lot of folks when idling 5mph through traffic to a stop light. John Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links

[Michael Hightower]

....and I notice those bikes with headlight modulators much sooner than I notice the bikes with loud exhausts. Hmmmm.... - Blake Absotively. I don't get why modulators are illegal in a number of states. Speaking of which, are there any challenges adding one to a KLR? I'd like to do it before my big ride from Chicago to southern Virginia on Labor Day weekend. - Mike

[J Fortner]

On 8/17/06, Michael Hightower wrote:

> > > I'll throw in my two cents. It can certainly be argued that the sound of a > motorcycle is part of its defensive strategy. >

That is simply horsecock. Imagine if you will you are in a car on a straight two lane highway you see a headlight modulator in the distance say two miles up the road another bike with no headlight modulator, both have the same exhaust sound. Which is going to get your attention soonest? Which would you be less likely to left hand turn in front of because "you didn't see the motor cycle"? No one ever says I didn't hear the motorcycle. Real situation except I was on a bike and the headlight modulator caught my eye probably close to five miles out near the very large array antennas in New Mexico. These limp dick loud pipe arguments are just that. You want to run open or "performance" pipes get on a road track, drag strip, or a motocross course where people have expectations of loud exhausts.. JF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Rosie Wong" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Loud Pipes Save Lives > I'm not a big fan of loud pipes. But, I will say this. I live in CA > where lane splitting is legal. I notice much sooner the loud bikes > splitting lanes before I notice the ones with the quiet pipes. My KLR > has a stock pipe and I startle a lot of folks when idling 5mph through > traffic to a stop light. > > John > I will also add that the comments that the exhaust is not heard by motorists in front of the back because the pipes point back are also not accurate When I ride my Sportster, I notice people in front of me turn their heads and look back because they hear my bike coming. Sound is not unidirectional. It bounces off of structures and reflects in all directions. This is known as acoustic scattering. I am ambivalent about loud pipes. I believe that idiots who have no consideration for others create a lot of negativity towards bikers with them, but I also am completely convinced that they do make others more aware of my presence. ed A17

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 12:22:23AM -0500, Michael Hightower wrote:

> > ....and I notice those bikes with headlight modulators much sooner than I > notice the bikes with loud exhausts. Hmmmm.... - Blake > > Absotively. > > I don't get why modulators are illegal in a number of states.

They are not. Where did you hear that they are? Federal law _requires_ all states to allow headlight modulators on motorcycles. Thor

[Don S]

I have to take side with the anti-loud pipe group. I have a brother-in-law with a crapped out HD. He ran straight pipes. Obnoxious would be a compliment to describe the noise emanating from that p.o.s. The noise seemed to cue in on some glee center in the middle of his brain. Not unlike a child with a noisy toy. I personally think a lot of it is just self indulgence on behalf of the loud pipe owner. It's just another way to desperately gain attention. Noise and glitter, man. The mainstay of HD riders. Anyone else who makes their ride loud unnecessarily may just have a bit of the HD wannabe gene. With regard to being seen or heard on a motorcycle, one must accept the cold hard facts of motoring life. Regardless of your efforts to make yourself obvious while riding, there will always be a percentage of drivers out there in the brown zone, with their heads two feet up their own asses. When sharing the road with a lot of cars, ride like you're a duck during duck hunting season and the cars are carrying shotguns. Don't let your guard down till you're away from the threat. Don Matt Knowles wrote: I am willing to bet that the fire trucks I drive can make more noise than the average loud Harley. Plus the fire trucks point their noise makers in the direction they are traveling. Guess what? People in cars still don't hear us. (Not to mention they don't see this big red truck with all kinds of flashing lights behind them either.)

On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:34 AM, Mike Frey wrote: > OK, so I am the rarity. But all motorists have the right to have a > stereo in their car, and that makes many drivers unable to hear the > sounds of traffic around them. It does not necessarily make them a bad > driver. It takes a pretty loud bike for a driver to hear it above the > sounds of an air-conditioned car with the stereo at reasonable levels. Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA) '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dail]

Federal Motor Vehicle Standards, CFR Part 571.108 S7.9.4 S7.9.4 Motorcycle headlamp modulation system. S7.9.4.1 A headlamp on a motorcycle may be wired to modulate either the upper beam or the lower beam from its maximum intensity to a lesser intensity, Legal in ALL States by Federal Law.

----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Hightower To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:22 AM Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Loud Pipes Save Lives ....and I notice those bikes with headlight modulators much sooner than I notice the bikes with loud exhausts. Hmmmm.... - Blake Absotively. I don't get why modulators are illegal in a number of states. Speaking of which, are there any challenges adding one to a KLR? I'd like to do it before my big ride from Chicago to southern Virginia on Labor Day weekend. - Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Michael Hightower]

>>I have to take side with the anti-loud pipe group. I have a

brother-in-law with a crapped out HD. He ran straight pipes. Obnoxious would be a compliment to describe the noise emanating from that p.o.s. The noise seemed to cue in on some glee center in the middle of his brain. Not unlike a child with a noisy toy. I personally think a lot of it is just self indulgence on behalf of the loud pipe owner. It's just another way to desperately gain attention. Noise and glitter, man. The mainstay of HD riders. Anyone else who makes their ride loud unnecessarily may just have a bit of the HD wannabe gene.