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[hal gainous]

i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice if i could take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise )

----- Original Message ----- From: E.L. Green To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/5/2006 7:42:15 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tires --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "freediver85032" wrote: > > Consider the Dunlop 607 Trailmax for street use. I got over 13K miles > on Phoenix streets from my last set. Ride safely. The D607 looks similar to the Metzeler Tourance in both performance and wear. But the Tourance is cheaper. Hmm... -E [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hal gainous" wrote:

> > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice

if i could

> take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise ) >

Personally, I think I would check with the Cajun's on the list, as they have the most experience with those large lizzards and such. On the other hand, if you intend to ride the Tail of the Dragon and ride off road during the same day, I would suggest that you purchase "Helo-flight-EMS" insurance, because mixing the tail of the dragon and off road in the same 11 miles, well, lets just say, you won't like the results, and it may just be fatal. or at least deadly. revmaaatin. Methodist Circuit Rider-Sioux Empire BC3 Careflight Pilot #3, 911 Aberdeen, SD KLR's and medical helo's. What a mix. YMMV.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hal gainous" wrote:

> > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice

if i could

> take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise ) >

Hi Hal. 2d try/reply: #one for humor, #2 for 'real'. If I were to drive from SD to just ride the Tail of the Dragon, I would put the very best street tire on the bike possible and ride the Dragon until I wore out the tires. Then, pick up the Kenda 270's at the post office (Mr. Hal G., General delivery: Maryville {I think)) and THEN attempt to escape the NC moutntains without breaking the bike or the "hal-g". Just a thought.... My September 06 plans for the Dragon have become, well later. Broken bones, KLR's and dragons, just not the right combination this year. Let us know, send pics. Enquiring minds want to know! Caution of wet leaves in Sept, etc. revmaaatin.

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hal gainous" wrote:

> > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice

if i could

> take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise )

On dry roads, I find that my Kenda 761's give me the same traction and predictability as the D607/Tourance, but with much better offroad performance (not that this is saying THAT much, they'll get you out of light sand and mud, but if you hit a big boghole and expect to swim out, you better hope your KLR has a snorkel!). As you approach the limits of the tire on the highway, the back end will give you a little bit of warning letting you know you're going too hard but takes a lot to actually break loose. And I can't lock up the front when braking even with my big rotor. Downside is that they wear awefully fast. Figure 4,000 miles max out of them. And they're not as good in the rain as the European tires, due to the fact that Kenda just doesn't have their rubber technology. Other folks like the Avon Gripster. They work well on the highway and last like iron, but are somewhat scary off-road. My 761's do better offroad due to bigger lugs and wider grooves. Other folks are swearing by the MEFO's. I dunno, they look awefully offroad-oriented to me, seems that with that aggressive a tread they have to be running an awefully hard rubber compound to get the reported tire life, with correspondingly lower traction in the twisties. But I haven't tried them yet, so I can't say from personal experience. It's all compromise. The more aggressive the tread for offroad use, the less rubber on the road, thus the softer the rubber has to be in order to get good traction, and the lower the life. The Europeans have better rubber technology than the Taiwanese and Japanese, so can get more life out of a given contact patch while maintaining decent traction, but they're just good, not magic. Even the Europeans couldn't make a Kenda 270 that both lasted 8,000+ miles and had decent on-road traction (the 270 is quite slippery on-road -- I can lock up the front with the *stock* brakes, nevermind with my big rotor!). This is one reason why I'm sort of puzzled about the MEFO 99's that everybody is raving about... they look like they have a really aggressive tread, but nobody complains about their traction on-road. Is that just because they're comparing them to a (slippery) Kenda 270 rather than to a (not at all slippery) D607 or Tourance? Or have they managed to achieve the Holy Grail -- aggressive tread *PLUS* onroad traction worthy of aggressive onroad use? -E

> ----- Original Message ----- > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "freediver85032" > wrote: > > > > Consider the Dunlop 607 Trailmax for street use. I got over 13K miles > > on Phoenix streets from my last set. Ride safely. > > The D607 looks similar to the Metzeler Tourance in both performance > and wear. But the Tourance is cheaper. Hmm...

[hal gainous]

isn't someone going to stand up for the Pirelli st or at ? or better yet i should ask about anyones experience with them. thanks so much for the responces so far. hal2006

----- Original Message ----- From: E.L. Green To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/6/2006 7:26:28 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tires --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hal gainous" wrote: > > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice if i could > take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise ) On dry roads, I find that my Kenda 761's give me the same traction and predictability as the D607/Tourance, but with much better offroad performance (not that this is saying THAT much, they'll get you out of light sand and mud, but if you hit a big boghole and expect to swim out, you better hope your KLR has a snorkel!). As you approach the limits of the tire on the highway, the back end will give you a little bit of warning letting you know you're going too hard but takes a lot to actually break loose. And I can't lock up the front when braking even with my big rotor. Downside is that they wear awefully fast. Figure 4,000 miles max out of them. And they're not as good in the rain as the European tires, due to the fact that Kenda just doesn't have their rubber technology. Other folks like the Avon Gripster. They work well on the highway and last like iron, but are somewhat scary off-road. My 761's do better offroad due to bigger lugs and wider grooves. Other folks are swearing by the MEFO's. I dunno, they look awefully offroad-oriented to me, seems that with that aggressive a tread they have to be running an awefully hard rubber compound to get the reported tire life, with correspondingly lower traction in the twisties. But I haven't tried them yet, so I can't say from personal experience. It's all compromise. The more aggressive the tread for offroad use, the less rubber on the road, thus the softer the rubber has to be in order to get good traction, and the lower the life. The Europeans have better rubber technology than the Taiwanese and Japanese, so can get more life out of a given contact patch while maintaining decent traction, but they're just good, not magic. Even the Europeans couldn't make a Kenda 270 that both lasted 8,000+ miles and had decent on-road traction (the 270 is quite slippery on-road -- I can lock up the front with the *stock* brakes, nevermind with my big rotor!). This is one reason why I'm sort of puzzled about the MEFO 99's that everybody is raving about... they look like they have a really aggressive tread, but nobody complains about their traction on-road. Is that just because they're comparing them to a (slippery) Kenda 270 rather than to a (not at all slippery) D607 or Tourance? Or have they managed to achieve the Holy Grail -- aggressive tread *PLUS* onroad traction worthy of aggressive onroad use? -E > ----- Original Message ----- > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "freediver85032" > wrote: > > > > Consider the Dunlop 607 Trailmax for street use. I got over 13K miles > > on Phoenix streets from my last set. Ride safely. > > The D607 looks similar to the Metzeler Tourance in both performance > and wear. But the Tourance is cheaper. Hmm... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Russell Scott]

I had a set of AT-90's, and really liked them. In fact, after these IRC's wear out, I'm going back to them for good. They last, they stick, tough as nails, and they are under $100.00. Surprisingly good off-road, once you air down to 18 psi. The best all-around tire I have had on my KLR. R -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hal gainous Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:04 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tires isn't someone going to stand up for the Pirelli st or at ? or better yet i should ask about anyones experience with them. thanks so much for the responces so far. hal2006

----- Original Message ----- From: E.L. Green To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: 7/6/2006 7:26:28 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tires --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hal gainous" wrote: > > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice if i could > take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise ) On dry roads, I find that my Kenda 761's give me the same traction and predictability as the D607/Tourance, but with much better offroad performance (not that this is saying THAT much, they'll get you out of light sand and mud, but if you hit a big boghole and expect to swim out, you better hope your KLR has a snorkel!). As you approach the limits of the tire on the highway, the back end will give you a little bit of warning letting you know you're going too hard but takes a lot to actually break loose. And I can't lock up the front when braking even with my big rotor. Downside is that they wear awefully fast. Figure 4,000 miles max out of them. And they're not as good in the rain as the European tires, due to the fact that Kenda just doesn't have their rubber technology. Other folks like the Avon Gripster. They work well on the highway and last like iron, but are somewhat scary off-road. My 761's do better offroad due to bigger lugs and wider grooves. Other folks are swearing by the MEFO's. I dunno, they look awefully offroad-oriented to me, seems that with that aggressive a tread they have to be running an awefully hard rubber compound to get the reported tire life, with correspondingly lower traction in the twisties. But I haven't tried them yet, so I can't say from personal experience. It's all compromise. The more aggressive the tread for offroad use, the less rubber on the road, thus the softer the rubber has to be in order to get good traction, and the lower the life. The Europeans have better rubber technology than the Taiwanese and Japanese, so can get more life out of a given contact patch while maintaining decent traction, but they're just good, not magic. Even the Europeans couldn't make a Kenda 270 that both lasted 8,000+ miles and had decent on-road traction (the 270 is quite slippery on-road -- I can lock up the front with the *stock* brakes, nevermind with my big rotor!). This is one reason why I'm sort of puzzled about the MEFO 99's that everybody is raving about... they look like they have a really aggressive tread, but nobody complains about their traction on-road. Is that just because they're comparing them to a (slippery) Kenda 270 rather than to a (not at all slippery) D607 or Tourance? Or have they managed to achieve the Holy Grail -- aggressive tread *PLUS* onroad traction worthy of aggressive onroad use? -E > ----- Original Message ----- > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "freediver85032" > wrote: > > > > Consider the Dunlop 607 Trailmax for street use. I got over 13K miles > > on Phoenix streets from my last set. Ride safely. > > The D607 looks similar to the Metzeler Tourance in both performance > and wear. But the Tourance is cheaper. Hmm... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "hal gainous" wrote: > > > > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice > if i could > > take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise ) > > On dry roads, I find that my Kenda 761's give me the same traction and > predictability as the D607/Tourance, but with much better offroad > performance (not that this is saying THAT much, they'll get you out of > light sand and mud, but if you hit a big boghole and expect to swim > out, you better hope your KLR has a snorkel!).

93%SNIPPED Hi Eric, As always: Great post, worthy of my personal archive. Thanks for sharing your personal experience over a wide range of tires/surfaces. What I did not see was, what tire was best for 'tall-grass prairie ruts' or 'wet leaves on asphalt'. Riding any tire in either of these conditions can/will leave skid marks in more than one place.... A tire that could ride in both of those conditions: That would be the Holy Grail for me. revmaaatin. I don't think any thing scares me worse (while riding) than wet leaves, except maybe deer, and I have heard, they cause skid marks 2

[Michael Silverstein]

I spooned on a pair of MT90 Scorpion A/T tires for the exact same reason: I was going to take a trip that included a ride on the Tail of the Dragon and wanted something that would still go off road. Although I haven't gotten a chance to ride much off road yet other than a few dirt roads, they performed flawlessly on the trip - even in several hundred miles of rain on twisty mountain roads. Search this for write-ups on the tires: HYPERLINK "http://www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcycles/klr650/tires"www.sta ndoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcycles/klr650/tires. Here's some pictures from the ride: HYPERLINK "http://www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcycles/klr650/dragon"http:/ /www.standoutnet.com/extras/mike/motorcy ... 650/dragon. Mike A18 -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hal gainous Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:04 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tires isn't someone going to stand up for the Pirelli st or at ? or better yet i should ask about anyones experience with them. thanks so much for the responces so far. hal2006

----- Original Message ----- From: E.L. Green To: HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@... Sent: 7/6/2006 7:26:28 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tires --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@..., "hal gainous" wrote: > > i need the better tire for the tail of the dragon. it would be nice if i could > take it off road too.(i know that there will be a compromise ) On dry roads, I find that my Kenda 761's give me the same traction and predictability as the D607/Tourance, but with much better offroad performance (not that this is saying THAT much, they'll get you out of light sand and mud, but if you hit a big boghole and expect to swim out, you better hope your KLR has a snorkel!). As you approach the limits of the tire on the highway, the back end will give you a little bit of warning letting you know you're going too hard but takes a lot to actually break loose. And I can't lock up the front when braking even with my big rotor. Downside is that they wear awefully fast. Figure 4,000 miles max out of them. And they're not as good in the rain as the European tires, due to the fact that Kenda just doesn't have their rubber technology. Other folks like the Avon Gripster. They work well on the highway and last like iron, but are somewhat scary off-road. My 761's do better offroad due to bigger lugs and wider grooves. Other folks are swearing by the MEFO's. I dunno, they look awefully offroad-oriented to me, seems that with that aggressive a tread they have to be running an awefully hard rubber compound to get the reported tire life, with correspondingly lower traction in the twisties. But I haven't tried them yet, so I can't say from personal experience. It's all compromise. The more aggressive the tread for offroad use, the less rubber on the road, thus the softer the rubber has to be in order to get good traction, and the lower the life. The Europeans have better rubber technology than the Taiwanese and Japanese, so can get more life out of a given contact patch while maintaining decent traction, but they're just good, not magic. Even the Europeans couldn't make a Kenda 270 that both lasted 8,000+ miles and had decent on-road traction (the 270 is quite slippery on-road -- I can lock up the front with the *stock* brakes, nevermind with my big rotor!). This is one reason why I'm sort of puzzled about the MEFO 99's that everybody is raving about... they look like they have a really aggressive tread, but nobody complains about their traction on-road. Is that just because they're comparing them to a (slippery) Kenda 270 rather than to a (not at all slippery) D607 or Tourance? Or have they managed to achieve the Holy Grail -- aggressive tread *PLUS* onroad traction worthy of aggressive onroad use? -E > ----- Original Message ----- > --- In HYPERLINK "mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com"DSN_KLR650@..., "freediver85032" > wrote: > > > > Consider the Dunlop 607 Trailmax for street use. I got over 13K miles > > on Phoenix streets from my last set. Ride safely. > > The D607 looks similar to the Metzeler Tourance in both performance > and wear. But the Tourance is cheaper. Hmm... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 7/4/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kestrelfal]

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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "James" wrote: > > > > > I have notice a couple of different brands of jumper cables made for > motorcycles. They are said to be easier to carry, have smaller alligator > style grips, etc. > > I believe both of them are 6 feet long, and use 10 guage wire. A friend > of mine doubts that the 10 guage wire is heavy enough for amps. Perhaps > it could trickle charge the battery but probably not jump it. > > What do you guys think, and has anyone been carrying/using portable > options? > > On a similar vein, I've considered putting some wires on the battery > posts and running it out from under the seat, permanently affixed. The > idea is just to make jumping/charging easy to do without removing the > seat, etc. Some jumper cables I've tried to connect are so big that its > hard to clip them on. > > Thanks > > James > > KLR650/1997 >